tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post3561065826252526021..comments2024-03-15T15:56:38.460+01:00Comments on Eivind Berge's Blog: The "Trafficking" Charade Groweth: Au Pairs and GypsiesEivind Bergehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-89448097969337373912012-01-07T19:34:56.388+01:002012-01-07T19:34:56.388+01:00No, I am certainly not a racist. I don't conce...No, I am certainly not a racist. I don't concern myself with "white power," am not particularly into Norse mythology and I welcome men (and women) of all races as allies against feminism. I am not paranoid, either. The state-enforced feminism I blog about is documentably true and I merely want to mobilize a resistance movement against these feminist sex laws and the pigs who enforce them.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-58265412686954345392012-01-07T19:15:23.951+01:002012-01-07T19:15:23.951+01:00You come off as extremely paranoid, and it makes m...You come off as extremely paranoid, and it makes me sad for you. In addition to hating women, are you also racist? It's a genuine question, because many white power people are obsessed with Norse mythology and whatnot, as it seems you are. Just curious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-48027172514549771282011-11-29T23:48:22.926+01:002011-11-29T23:48:22.926+01:00Jeg er rett og slett uenig i hvordan du og FN defi...Jeg er rett og slett uenig i hvordan du og FN definerer menneskehandel, for definisjonen oser av mannshat. Jeg aksepterer ikke at kvinner er "ofre" bare fordi de velger å gjøre noe du ikke liker fordi det innebærer at menn får sex, for å forbedre sin situasjon.<br /><br />Mesteparten av påstått menneskehandel koker ned til en ideologi som går ut på at menn er overgripere hvis kvinner velger å utnytte sine seksuelle ressurser. Akkurat som denne au pair-saken. Hvis dette er "trafficking," så er bortimot hele konseptet ren svindel fra feministenes side. Da er katten ute av sekken og dere kan ikke lure oss mer...<br /><br /><i>Kanskje du ikke innser det, men et flertall av disse kvinnene ØNSKER IKKE å selge seg selv på den måten de blir tvunget til..</i><br /><br />Nei, jeg ØNSKER IKKE å arbeide for andre heller, men det er noe man gjerne tvinges til av nødvendighet for å tjene til livets opphold, ikke fordi man nødvendigvis ønsker det. Jeg har selv jobbet med ting jeg ikke ønsker bare fordi jeg trengte penger. Skal det liksom gjelde andre regler for kvinner? Kvinner har en ekstra ressurs som menn ikke har, og hvis de velger å benytte seg av den, så er de så visst ikke ofre for det. De er privilegerte i forhold til menn. Hele tullet om at de er i en "sårbar situasjon" pga fattigdom eller alder (med mindre de faktisk er små barn, noe 12-åringer og eldre ikke er) rettferdiggjør på ingen måte å kalle det menneskehandel. Det fins mange fattige gutter og menn også, og vi har ikke denne ekstra muligheten. Denne au pairen var forresten 30 år gammel. Hun kom hit helt frivillig for å benytte seg av muligheten til et bedre liv, og visste at sex var forventet. Altså er saken at feministstaten ikke tåler at en mann fikk sex som kvinnen ikke ønsket å gi gratis. Det er klart og tydelig at denne saken er 100% fundert på mannshat, og hvis den er representativ for hva "trafficking" går ut på, så viser det klart og tydelig hva som er agendaen til rescue-industrien. Før trodde jeg faktisk menneskehandel var mye mer utbredt, så jeg falt litt for propagandaen selv, inntil jeg begynte å lese The Naked Athropologist. Nå ser jeg hvor dum jeg var som trodde på dere.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-17631764766986031582011-11-29T23:03:05.496+01:002011-11-29T23:03:05.496+01:00Eivind Berge, jeg skjønner bare ikke hvordan du ka...Eivind Berge, jeg skjønner bare ikke hvordan du kan si at denne traffickingen ikke skjer jeg? Hva legger du bak det? at du skriver: hvor er liksom disse slavene som ligger i håndjern? Kanskje du ikke er helt oppdatert på dette emnet, men det er ikke alltid slik at de ligger synlig i håndjern liksom. det er ikke nødvendigvis det der er snakk om når det kommer til slaver i dagens samf. så jeg blir litt frustrert av å lese det du skriver. <br />Det finnes nemlig så altfor mange ofre av menneskehandel, og ja, det er mange gråsoner som gjør det vanskelig å si helt klart om de er ofre av trafficking eller ei. men til tross for det, så ER det MANGE ofre rundt om i verden. Jeg har selv møtt flere av dem i arbeidet jeg gjør. helt fra jenter og gutter i 12 års alderen, til eldre kvinner som blir tvunget til det på ulike måter. <br /><br />Og feks mindreårige trenger ikke engang bli tvunget for at det sees på som menneskehandel, men de er, pga sin alder, i en sårbar situasjon, slik at om de blir brukt i denne sårbare situasjonen så blir det dermed sett på som trafficking i følge FNs Palermo protokoll. <br />Så det der du sier, det er rett og slett feil. Sorry, men det er det..<br /><br />Og bare i Norge så finnes det flere tilfeller av trafficking. Kanskje du ikke innser det, men et flertall av disse kvinnene ØNSKER IKKE å selge seg selv på den måten de blir tvunget til..<br /><br />Menmen. er nok noen som er enige med deg, men likevel klarer jeg ikke å godta akkurat det som du sier der...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-7490597188021441052011-11-29T19:28:25.945+01:002011-11-29T19:28:25.945+01:00Because you do say "we", dont you?Because you do say "we", dont you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-86708697858426146942011-11-29T13:43:46.331+01:002011-11-29T13:43:46.331+01:00It's a safe assumption that they were feminist...It's a safe assumption that they were feminists, for the most part, since they actively belonged to a feminist party, but I never said they deserved to die just because they were members of AUF.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-32930383064934778552011-11-29T13:19:34.217+01:002011-11-29T13:19:34.217+01:00Are they "innocent kids" or are they &qu...Are they "innocent kids" or are they "77 dead feminists"? Get your rhetoric straight, at least. You keep contradicting yourself.<br /><br />I think it's fair to say that most people would consider you an extremist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-69988730784191598202011-11-29T11:54:29.052+01:002011-11-29T11:54:29.052+01:00The Men's Movement is much bigger than A Voice...The Men's Movement is much bigger than A Voice for Men, obviously. Check out the other links in my blogroll. Breivik is also undeniably in some ways a kindred spirit to our movement whether we like it or not, but it's not my fault that he is so morally depraved as to murder innocent kids.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-4940498488752443942011-11-29T11:43:15.235+01:002011-11-29T11:43:15.235+01:00"However, there is a silver lining. Norway by..."However, there is a silver lining. Norway by now also has the strongest antifeminist resistance movement in the world, with seventy-seven dead feminists to show this year alone"<br /><br />You write stuff like that and yet you complain about having to constantly repeat that you do not support the murder of kids. When you write stuff like this you should expect to be accused, because this reads as a clear support of the murder of the children on Utøya.<br /><br />"Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn't enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day."<br /><br />And the "we" is AVoiceforMen.com? You are claiming the 77 bodybags in their name? "we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism". The "we" killed those kids?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-65112941635461434442011-11-29T11:22:27.352+01:002011-11-29T11:22:27.352+01:00It's getting a little tiresome to have to reit...It's getting a little tiresome to have to reiterate that I don't support killing kids. MRA isn't just about easier sex, either. It is about fighting every type of institutionalized misandry.<br /><br />As to whom I am representing, you can, for example, look into the site <a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/" rel="nofollow">AVoiceforMen.com</a> mentioned above, and you will find a whole bunch of other MRAs/antifeminists besides me, including Swedish and Norwegian ones.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-77848147344949349062011-11-29T11:10:59.082+01:002011-11-29T11:10:59.082+01:00You do realize that you are not representing anyon...You do realize that you are not representing anyone? You do understand that the majority (and by majority I mean practically everybody) of people will think of your views as absolutely discusting? If 69 dead kids is a silver lining in the fight against feminism, then you are basically supporting the sacrifice of chlidren so that you will easier get sex in the future, arent you?<br /><br />And, who is the "we" that has proven to be deathly serious?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-73084692538701433262011-11-29T00:22:18.236+01:002011-11-29T00:22:18.236+01:00Thanks, Tim. While I sometimes vehemently disagree...Thanks, Tim. While I sometimes vehemently disagree with Paul Elam, as when he gets into his anti-game and most ludicrously <a href="http://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2010/10/why-has-mens-movement-failed-to.html" rel="nofollow">his women-can-rape-boys nonsense</a>, I see they got some surprisingly good material over at A Voice for Men right now. I am enjoying this article by Joakim Ramstedt:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/welcome-to-absurdistan/" rel="nofollow">Welcome to Absurdistan</a><br /><br />I especially like how he is exposing the feminist police state for what it is.<br /><br /><i>ASSANGE AND THE UNUSED CONDOM<br /><br />Here in Absurdistan we naturally assume that a man is guilty. Because just face it. He is isn´t he?<br /><br />But the law also sometimes creates problems in our struggle for equality. For the most part, we solve these problems by <b>sentencing men for sex crimes behind closed doors. That way the judges and prosecutors are left alone to rule</b> without having to have a bunch of people, or even worse, journalists, going on about evidence and stuff.</i>Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-85178688465682187882011-11-28T23:39:23.177+01:002011-11-28T23:39:23.177+01:00I found this information on AVoiceForMen.com. The...I found this information on AVoiceForMen.com. There is some very interesting stuff going on over there, you should check it out. Right now they are talking about Swedish feminism, and the articles are so good that they will do a radio show about feminism in Sweden. This is right up your alley. You are at ground zero for radical feminism, even in Norway. <br /><br />Here is a video you may like. Password is hjernevask:<br /><br />http://vimeo.com/19707588Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-40964149767813891142011-11-28T22:52:33.409+01:002011-11-28T22:52:33.409+01:00Yes, I heard. Looks like women's studies will ...Yes, I heard. Looks like women's studies will be abolished (or rather just one source of funding will be cut) as a separate program, but then they plan to incorporate the feminist gender perspective into all fields of research instead. I am not sure this is good news. Apparently some feminists themselves see it as a good thing, so it looks suspicious.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-5173044835855885102011-11-28T22:36:26.164+01:002011-11-28T22:36:26.164+01:00Sorry, I meant "Women's Studies".Sorry, I meant "Women's Studies".Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-81382659028254826392011-11-28T22:35:34.555+01:002011-11-28T22:35:34.555+01:00Good news, Arpagus. Norway abolishes Gender Studi...Good news, Arpagus. Norway abolishes Gender Studies:<br /><br />http://henrylaasanen.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/89740-norja-lakkauttaa-naistutkimuksenTimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-68476891590394331232011-11-27T20:29:25.629+01:002011-11-27T20:29:25.629+01:00"By the same logic it was "democracy&quo..."By the same logic it was "democracy" and "freedom" which killed civilians in Iraq, and we must all fight against democracy and freedom."<br /><br />No, it was the government. Government makes us go to war and makes all the laws (not without the majority's help, I guess, since we still get to choose who gets to make the laws), and it just happens to be on the feminists' side. Sure feminists are not all one homogenous mass with a hive mind, but those who do no harm are not people we concern ourselves with. "War on feminism" is not a war on individual feminists just for their opinions. It's opposition to unfair laws.Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01840848846249018854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-69049904167265301502011-11-27T19:03:22.859+01:002011-11-27T19:03:22.859+01:00You said: "We still have patriarchy if you ju...You said: "We still have patriarchy if you just count the proportion of men in positions of power. The problem is most of these men are manginas and just complaisantly do the feminists’ bidding. And then a predominantly male police backs up feminist laws with brute force."<br /><br />So the problem isn't really that men do not have power, but that the WRONG KIND of men, that is men who do not think like you, for some mysterious reason gets elected into power. <br /><br />And so you conclude that since the men in power are the wrong type of men, it is altruistic and fair and just to kill some of these "wrong kind of thinking men" on behalf of all "real men". Your misogyny is perhaps matched by your misandry.<br /><br />Gobsmacked (again!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-82336759917223431832011-11-27T18:49:28.504+01:002011-11-27T18:49:28.504+01:00Hey: you forgot that it was a self-declared femini...Hey: you forgot that it was a self-declared feminist, the researcher von der Lippe, who said that feminism was being misudsed. I quote from your link: <br /><br />“For me as a feminist it was a paradox to see how an ideology that has criticized the universal positions and demanded women’s right to self-representation was used to legitimize the decision to go to war,” says von der Lippe.<br /><br />By the same logic it was "democracy" and "freedom" which killed civilians in Iraq, and we must all fight against democracy and freedom.<br />Duh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-49049802356724738192011-11-27T18:41:33.597+01:002011-11-27T18:41:33.597+01:00If collateral damage is "damage to people or ...If collateral damage is "damage to people or property that is unintended or incidental to the intended outcome," then the kids at Utøya were not strictly collateral damage to Breivik since they were in fact his intended target at the time, and I wouldn't support such an operation. But in a larger sense they are incidental to the outcome in the war against feminism, and I do support the war against feminism. If you wage war, you know from the outset that there will be collateral damage. This didn't stop feminists from supporting war against the Taliban or various other regimes they don't like, and it won't stop MRAs from supporting the war against feminism. We should, of course, strive to minimize collateral damage, and that is where Breivik failed miserably.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-47425995090632631192011-11-27T15:45:24.025+01:002011-11-27T15:45:24.025+01:00So the dead kids on Utøya is in your mind colatter...So the dead kids on Utøya is in your mind colatteral damage in the war against feminism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-62426514160076732132011-11-26T20:02:14.692+01:002011-11-26T20:02:14.692+01:00...in your blogpost you are clearly siding with hi...<i>...in your blogpost you are clearly siding with him, or at least supporting parts of his agenda.</i><br /><br />Supporting parts of an agenda does not mean I support killing the innocent, and feminists are at any rate no better. <a href="http://eng.kilden.forskningsradet.no/c52778/nyhet/vis.html?tid=69621" rel="nofollow">Feminism legitimizes war</a> in order to liberate women, which then <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deh_Bala_wedding_party_bombing" rel="nofollow">kills innocent people including women and children</a>. Does this not make them just as extreme? If any ideology should be abandoned as soon as there is collateral damage, then there would be no feminism, either. Feminist intervention has killed far more children than MRAs.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-6086394280865838032011-11-26T19:36:59.981+01:002011-11-26T19:36:59.981+01:00" ... untainted by extremist view"
This..." ... untainted by extremist view"<br /><br />This made me laugh. You are by far one of the more extreme people I have seen/read.<br /><br />You managed to find something positiv about killing kids. You are extreme.<br /><br />I find it weird that in your blogposts you express admiration for ABB, you speak of the actions on Utøya as something you feel like a part of (thats the "we"), you basically threaten the life of "femenist prosecutors", you cheer on the killing of policemenn, you advocate rape, and you go a long way to make a point out of the fact that you might commit murder due to lack of sex. Yet in the commentary below the post you claim to not be extreme. And, in the commentary, you time and time again insist on not supporting ABB at all, while in your blogpost you are clearly siding with him, or at least supporting parts of his agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-23830725119564485772011-11-25T22:43:03.743+01:002011-11-25T22:43:03.743+01:00I wouldn't be so smug, Gobsmacked.
Laws again...I wouldn't be so smug, Gobsmacked.<br /><br />Laws against men have gotten way too unfair and sooner or later someone will react badly to them and cause trouble, inevitably. It doesn't take that many determined men to do a lot of damage, either. And I bet most of you would say it's OK to use undemocratic violence to get rid of the oppressors if women were the ones oppressed. Feminists are happy to bomb or invade countries for that and kill lots of innocent victims in the process.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-63203860168409548592011-11-25T22:08:58.429+01:002011-11-25T22:08:58.429+01:00Lets see if I get this right:
Basically, you advoc...Lets see if I get this right:<br />Basically, you advocate terrorism because you realise that you do not speak on behalf of most men at all. If you did in fact speak for anybody except a handful whack jobs like yourself, you could easily have worked politically instead of fantasizing about cop killings.<br /><br />But since you obviously are aware on some level that your chances of uniting blokes under banners such as: "Cheap hookers NOW!" or "Stop the feminist persecution!" or "Legalize sex with 12 year old girls!" are nonexistent, you instead promote shooting policemen in order to influence the laws on rape, age of consent and prostitution given by a democratically elected government.<br /><br />Since you claim to be such an altruist and idealist, perhaps you have, like Breivik claims for himself, "exaggerated empathy"? After all, he thinks that the parents of the murdered teens should thank him.<br /> I imagine you would say something very similar to the family of the policemen you are so eager to gun down? <br />Eivind Berge: "I shot him for the greater good, you see, if women get more power, guys like me do not get laid as often as "alphas" and that is really, really annoying for guys like me, and it really hurts too, so you must see that it was necessary to put a bullet in his head to stop the feminist state terror, for everybody's sake."<br /><br />Except, I doubt you have the balls to do something like that yourself. Your wet dream seems to be to play Fjordman to another Breivik. After this latest blogpost I doubt anybody would listen to any whining on your part about being misunderstood though. It is perfectly clear what you advocate.<br /><br />GobsmackedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com