tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post2357611939930479465..comments2024-03-28T10:43:26.059+01:00Comments on Eivind Berge's Blog: How do we know?Eivind Bergehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-58548178483271762922019-09-09T12:30:51.271+02:002019-09-09T12:30:51.271+02:00"Using patriarchal narrative about chaste wom..."Using patriarchal narrative about chaste woman and male victimiser is not very sex-positive."<br /><br />I am as sex-positive as they come, but I don't see distorting reality and denying human nature as part of that ideology. Nor do I have any allegiance to patriarchal narratives, but it so happens that "chaste woman and male victimizer" tends to describe reality while your denial of differences does not. Except "choosy" is a better word than "chaste," but close enough.<br /><br />Women have reasons to be choosy that we can't deny without disrespecting their natures. And likewise, men have reasons to want to be promiscuous that we can't deny without disrespecting our natures. Which is exactly what happens in the female sex offender charade -- the boys' promiscuous nature is disrespected, which is what upsets me so profoundly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-51119221269828059482019-09-09T11:17:33.501+02:002019-09-09T11:17:33.501+02:00Forgot to say that "relationship with authori...Forgot to say that "relationship with authority or prostitution-AOC 18" is a nasty, vicious law that I vehemently oppose. This needs to be brought down to the other AOC and once again it has no role with regard to female offenders because women cannot in principle sexually exploit.<br /><br />The only thing we agree on about AOC is that it has no role preventing kids from experimenting with each other. But I am flabbergasted that you think there is some kind of abuse magic to having first experiences with adults instead. If that were the case, then the virgins who don't have sex until they are adults would be abused too, by the absence of peer-experiences while adolescent. There is some truth to that (especially with porn leading boys into sexual dysfunctions), but it's not the adults' fault and the adults can help, with women being an absolute godsend to young boys.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-5743453242437696252019-09-09T10:55:17.851+02:002019-09-09T10:55:17.851+02:00What you say about the evils of financial compensa...What you say about the evils of financial compensation in sex cases is very sensible, however, and of course I agree about David Hamilton. Thanks also for the link to Ray Harris's essay on integral sexology (never heard of that before), will check it out when I have time.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-78159859119430693142019-09-09T10:39:59.550+02:002019-09-09T10:39:59.550+02:00I can agree it can reasonably be called unpedagogi...I can agree it can reasonably be called unpedagogical (to other pupils who would get jealous), and the way schools should deal with unpedagogical teachers is to fire them at worst. Making it a criminal matter is beyond the pale, and 20 years is insane. The monster of a prosecutor asked for 44 years and at this rate we will soon be seeing in effect lifetime punishments against women for being NICE to boys! This is a catastrophe of epic proportions, not in terms of numbers but as a moral travesty it blows all previous witch-hunts out of the water because we now target women not for being a little strange or even at random, but for being a sexual asset to boys, even at an age when it helps them most to overcome the dangers of porn and masturbation.<br /><br />I profoundly disagree with the rest you say about female sex offenders and obviously have work cut out for me to explain this better. Contraception has only had a tiny effect on female sexual expression and not at all on female sexual mentality, and it is insane to lump boys (except for homosexuality of course) into the protections I can agree girls deserve. 14 is too high of an age of consent though; 13 is the highest I can tolerate and once again it has no role being applied to women AT ALL. Also there is absolutely no reason boys should have their first time with their peers rather than adult women; indeed it is beneficial to learn from women and due to the fundamental sex differences they CANNOT be sexually exploited.Eivind Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899250633318059069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26678806.post-1166668555575123272019-09-09T08:10:46.502+02:002019-09-09T08:10:46.502+02:00. female sexual power(as you call it), was IMO thi.... female sexual power(as you call it), was IMO thing before efficient contraceptives were discovered, since then it should be equally about pleasure and fun, for both sexes.<br />Being myself genuinely pro-equality(unlike today's feminism) I see no reason to make difference between male offenders vs. female offenders, this witch-hunt is bad in both cases. <br />Fact, that many people see difference between this is rather cultural residuum from before-pill times. It is maybe not natural, but surviving syphilis is neither, innovations are just changing some societal order. Using patriarchal narrative about chaste woman and male victimiser is not very sex-positive, interestingly today's feminists are also using it, making it them very hypocritical.<br /><br /><br />.even in my ideal world, what Brittany did wouldn't be legal <br />(AOC 14+R&J law, relationship with authority or prostitution-AOC 18)<br />but such draconian sentences would not be appropriate even in real rape cases, <br />in her case get fired+suspended sentence would be fine. <br />(BTW:public sex offender register should have NO place in civilised humane society, same as death penalty)<br />I don't think that boy is heavily victimised, to be frank I am pretty envious. <br />I just think that, we should not mix authorities and sexual life, being it difficult situation to handle even for adults. Such behaviour is very un-pedagogical(or too much pedagogical..haha)<br />Same thing it is with early adolescents(12,13yo), even in case when no authority is involved.<br />It is not about some grievous victimisation, but rather about proper upbringing, when full blown sexual drive is new thing to them, they should try first experiences with peers.<br />I must admit that setting exact number is not best solution, but to set some vague laws and let to decide some "professionals" seems to me even worse.<br /><br />In case of close-age partners, whether it is early adolescents trying their first romantic experiences, or prepubescents curiously exploring each other bodies, this shouldn't be suppressed, because such puritan upbringing can create serious psychosexual issues later in life. Puritan society is actually creating so-called "monsters", perpetually imposing tougher and tougher measures, worsening situation even more and more. <br /><br />.financial gain involved in sex cases is pure evil,<br />compensations should be limited to expenses for treatment and lawyer, not to personal profit. <br />Such cases, being very frequently word against word + some psychological eintopf, adding to it some form of profit is making it good recipe for parody of justice. <br />Famous victim status(celebrities), combining financial and social/professional gain is even worse, because these people are not screwing only life of accused person but frequently being appointed as patrons of sexcrime victims, and thus co-creating policies about things they know nothing about.<br />There are many of these celebrity cases, but my "favourite" is fate of poor old David Hamilton.<br />https://defensededavidhamiltonblog.wordpress.com/<br /><br /><br />In case that somebody here is really boring, <br />I found some article from anti-censorship and anti-puritan Australian activist, it may seem little bit controversial, but it is very interesting and (unfortunately) very long.<br />It contains some good points and some passages which are something similar that was mentioned in book recommended by Eivind in his recent post :Book club: Human sexuality around world.<br />http://www.integralworld.net/harris22.htmlMilan Horvathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18099730216391531671noreply@blogger.com