Monday, September 23, 2024

Metaphysical interlude III: first-person realism is the name of the game

I am a proud pedophile (as the word has recently come to be used of bog-standard male sexuality and the now rare honesty about such), a MAP, an MRA, a male sexualist and also a first-person realist. Yes, our language evolves and while the first four labels are largely synonymous and starkly political, the last one only concerns metaphysics which I have also written about here and here.

So here comes the third installment in this series of merely philosophical reflection, in which I may not make any philosophical progress but sure do update the terminology, much like we have done in our evolution from MRA to MAP. I have previously referred to the question of whether the first-person perspective is metaphysically privileged as the "idiotic conundrum" (a term Geoffrey Klempner came up with), but now, thanks to this podcast by Robinson Erhardt and an excellent paper by his guest David Builes, I now know to refer to my position that the first-person perspective is indeed metaphysically privileged as first-person realism. Also new to me today is referring to the idiotic conundrum as the vertiginous question.

Although David Builes ultimately rejects first-person realism (he says in the podcast), his paper presents eight arguments in favor. The paper is thankfully open access, so you can all read it in full. In addition to the arguments it provides great clarity on how to think about this issue, including the terminology which I have now updated to be in line with contemporary academic philosophy. Some of his arguments are actually new to me. For example, I am not very conversant in anti-haecceitism and frankly I don't understand it much better after reading the paper either. But the decisive argument for me, which is similar to what I have said before, is the one he lists as number five:

5 PERSONAL IDENTITY: DISSOCIATION

There are puzzles of personal identity over time where I seem to have judgements about how I can persist through time that differ from my judgements about how David can persist through time. First-Person Realism can explain this, but other views can't.

For example, consider a classic fission case. Suppose I am about to go to sleep, and while I am asleep, half of my brain will be put into a body that is in a red room, and the other half of my brain will be put into a body that is in a blue room. From an external third-person perspective, it seems to me that David cannot survive this operation. After all, David can't be in both rooms, and it would be arbitrary if David went to either room, and the persistence of biological organisms like David is not a “further fact” beyond various relations of physical and biological continuity. However, when I adopt a first-person perspective and imagine myself going to sleep before the operation, it seems that I can clearly conceive of three possibilities: I can wake up the next day in a red room, I can wake up the next day in a blue room, or I can never wake up again.

However, if I judge that David can't wake up in either room tomorrow even though I can wake up in either room tomorrow, then it seems that I can't also consistently judge that I am identical to David. However, according to certain versions of First-Person Realism, it is clear how to make sense of these intuitions. For example, according to Hare's (2009) view, it is possible that tomorrow the red room is present, it is possible that tomorrow the blue room is present, and it is possible that no room will be present tomorrow. Furthermore, all three of these possibilities are consistent with David not surviving the operation.

Moreover, conceiving of David as a biological organism is not essential to the point. Even if David is a Cartesian immaterial soul, it still seems that what can happen to me can dissociate from what happens to an immaterial soul, just as what happens to me can dissociate from what happens to a biological organism.

Once you realize that there are thought experiments which show that personal identity can dissociate not only from your physical body and thus disprove physicalism but also dissociate from an immaterial soul, it becomes very hard to deny that personal identity is metaphysically privileged, beyond even what God (if he exists like any theist would have it) could create or govern! Which is why I tend to agree with Klempner that this is the deepest philosophical question.

There is the hard problem of consciousness, but then there is also the super-hard question of perspective. Even if we could solve the mind-body problem, we wouldn't know from the facts of consciousness how to explain which perspective or person goes with which mental state as opposed to any other. Why am I me and not you? We don't know! 

Also new to me in this paper is how first-person realism sheds light on time and modality. I had basically accepted eternalism after reading "The Unreality of Time" by John Ellis McTaggart, but now I am not so sure that presentism might not be true after all. Perhaps the present is privileged in an analogous way to the first-person perspective, and there is no block universe? All this and more is best explained by Builes, so once again I highly recommend reading his paper. And among his citations I recommend reading Christian List's (2023) "The many-worlds theory of consciousness" for a sort of plausible theory of how exactly the first person might be metaphysically privileged without degrading into solipsism.

I welcome comments on first-person realism as well as our usual discussion on (anti-)sexual legislation and prosecution. Which is so grim that it behooves is to take a break now and again and ponder some philosophy for our sanity.

144 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who do you think you are writing this for Eivind? If you'd posted an article in Swahili, there would be a far greater statistical chance of one of your readers being able to understand it. OK, so you're hoping somebody who is familiar with the latest obtuse debates in the philosophy of mind will read it?That's even less likely, because you don't show up on Google, and you don't know how to or want to. And even if by some huge chance, a philosophy lecturer or a PHD student did stumble upon it, they would quickly close their browser after reading the first sentence "I am a proud paedophile"...

Eivind Berge said...

I am well aware that the first-person realism debate interests, if possible, even fewer people than the need to reform sex laws towards more freedom. Anyway, nothing wrong with writing about whatever I am interested in. Normies don't care one way or the other about my activism no matter how I put it anymore because it simply isn't debated. No way to shock them either. I can shout "I'm a proud pedophile" from the rooftops and get yawns all around because 1. there is no fun in hunting the proud who want publicity and 2. there is simply no room for debate on this issue because all the normies are in lockstep agreement that sexuality isn't persecuted enough.

I am pretty sure I still show up on Google if people search for me, however. The problem is they have no interest.

Anonymous said...

Kamala Harris wants to decriminalize sex work, because "consenting adults." That actually moves the needle in the right direction. Go Kamala!

Anonymous said...

She is also on record as saying she wants to go after the Johns and the pimps. So would be pretty much the same as in Scandinavia, where women can freely whore themselves and then their male clients end up as sex offenders.

Eivind Berge said...


You are right there is actually a push to punish women less, at least in the UK.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-womens-prisons-could-close-33742870

Shabana Mahmood has announced that some female prisons could be shut under plans to reduce the number of women in jail.

The Justice Secretary branded women’s prisons “desperate places” that are “hurting mothers and breaking homes” and “forcing women into a life of crime”. In her first speech to the Labour Party conference as justice chief, she said bluntly “for women, prison isn’t working” and that her "ultimate ambition" was to bring down the number of female jails.

The Labour minister said the reform “most urgently needed” in the justice system is “when we consider the plight of women” as she spoke about women in jail as well as female victims of crime. She pointed to evidence showing around two-thirds of women are imprisoned for non-violent offences, that 55% are victims of domestic abuse and that self-harm in women's prisons is eight-times higher than in the male estate.

Ms Mahmood announced plans for a new “Women’s Justice Board”, tasked with “reducing the number of women going to prison, with the ultimate ambition of having fewer women’s prisons”. She said there will always be women imprisoned for the protection of the public but that "we imprison women on minor charges to a far greater degree than men".


That's pretty hilarious, as if men don't suffer from prison. Also I am sure they will make exceptions for the women who really need to be freed: victims of the female sex offender charade.

If there is going to be any more sexual freedom anywhere I am sure it will only be something like the Nordic model where men are still maximally demonized and women too for "abuse." Nothing else is on the horizon and I don't believe Kamala wants it either until I see it.

Jack said...

Absolutely, depenalizing sexwork means the Nordic model, which is worse than the present status quo in the US. The present US regime is just a repressive regime where both women and men have a stake in not getting caught. The Nordic model means the system becomes one of entrapment for men.

Closing women prisons mean making the sentencing gap even wider. Admire the blatant lie: "we imprison women on minor charges to a far greater degree than men". Exactly the opposite is true.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure that Kamala fan is one of Eivind's paedophile followers. The sooner pedos like him realise that left-wing women like her (and right-wing women) would sooner see him flayed alive than allow him any sexual freedom, including and above all having sex with young girls, the sooner pedos might avoid being sexually genocided (along with the rest of us).

Jack said...

Sean John Combs (aka Diddy) is the latest celebrity to fall:

https://news.sky.com/story/p-diddy-what-is-sean-combs-accused-of-and-what-has-he-said-13103248

This might turn out a case of Epstein proportion.

Anonymous said...

In the UK they are giving the deceased Mohammed Al-Fayad the Savile treatment. He was the owner of Harrods, and the father of Diana's boyfriend who died with her in the crash. He blamed the Royal Family, so maybe the establishment are getting their revenge, on top of the usual abuse industry factors at work. Dozens of women are coming out of the woodwork to.accuse him of raping them, often when teens - and demand8ng a piece of his fortune, of course.

MH said...

Stumbled onto this article recently..besides ideological motivation
"protection of morals" is also good business it seems
https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/

Eivind Berge said...

With so much hate against attraction to the young, I guess there is only one thing to do: get with the program and admire the new kind of beauty contestants like this one :-)

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/27/world/video/miss-universe-korea-choi-soon-hwa-eighty-year-old-digvid

CNN International Correspondent Mike Valerio meets Choi Soon-hwa, the 80-year-old woman vying for the Miss Universe Korea crown.

MH said...

Why NOT...:-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlkERW5cO7Q

Anonymous said...

Ugh. Being tolerant like most of us here, I don't object to a senior version of Miss Universe, even though you won't catch me watching it.

It is very telling, though, that this is not the case at all. Indeed, the whole point of these stories is to push the idea that younger women always have real, meaningful competition from older women.

Korea recently raised its AOC from 15 to 20. It's very confusing, though, since from what I can tell, "Korean ages" are 1-2 years ahead-they count them differently. A baby is already one year old at birth, and everyone turns another year older on New Years day (not sure whether Korean or Western). So the current AOC would be both 18 and 19, depending.

Of course, the new AOC has no connection with the sudden vogue for allowing old ladies into general-age beauty contests...

Who'd think that?

-Anonymous 2

Anonymous said...

A new episode of the series: The Land of the Jail
https://fstube.net/w/nsRud57Kok3JKbZANb7GCe

Anonymous said...

Women never lie about rape : Woman made fake videos claiming she had been kidnapped and raped to extort cash from online date https://mol.im/a/13915713

Jack said...

Here's a bizarre case where AI can be our friend. A social worker got herself into hot waters for writing "child welfare reports" with ChatGTP. ChatGTP couldn't help let slip a few non-negative statements about a parent "using a sex doll".

https://news.yahoo.com/news/child-welfare-worker-trouble-using-154416672.html

Another French actor is in trouble, but note how small the sentence is compared to similar cases in the US:

https://variety.com/2024/film/global/nicolas-bedos-alleged-sexual-assault-1236157756/

One year suspended!

Jack said...

I was curious to know what ChatGPT had to say about Eivind, so I searched for "Eivind Berge blogger". This is what I found:

"Eivind Berge is a Norwegian blogger and self-proclaimed "male sexualist." He gained attention for promoting controversial views on male sexuality and critiquing feminism. His blog has been a platform for ideologies related to men's rights activism, advocating for what he calls a sex-positive approach for men. Berge has also faced legal issues, notably in 2012, when he was arrested for publicly encouraging violence against police officers. His blog content frequently discusses contentious topics such as consent laws and sexual politics".

Eivind Berge said...

I am extremely impressed by that description of me. Early versions of ChatGPT was hallucinating, for example claiming I had been in trouble of child porn, but this one is dead on. Even gets the terminology of male sexualism right, so it has clearly read my blog and digested it properly.

Jack said...

I wonder though, if ChatGPT does user profiling. It could have know this site is a site I access regularly, hence refraining from maligning it. It would be interesting to check whether get the same result as I did with the same search ("Eivind Berge blogger")

Eivind Berge said...

On the subject of my blog post here, today I came across this article which deals with the same question without too much obfuscation and gives us a useful word with which to speak of the other alternative.

https://bethlaceyswingler.medium.com/was-wittgenstein-a-solipsist-b510b5d773e1

If you are not a first-person realist then you are probably a transcendental solipsist, like Wittgenstein and the Hindus.

So what is the source of the illusion of the self? Well, for Wittgenstein, your delusional idea of your self arises from the conceptual defects in our language. Language is just not able to grasp reality as it is. This not only permits vagaries but worse, welcomes confusion over the true nature of thought and its objects.

Transcendental solipsism is, for Wittgenstein, an unwelcome side-effect of his position on all of the problems with philosophy. AKA, they’re all just confusions, the nasty side-products of language.

But why so serious? If it’s good enough for Hindu metaphysics, isn’t it good enough for W?

Wittgenstein claimed to be an advocate of the ‘therapeutic purpose of philosophy’. Perhaps he should’ve been a bigger fan of this kind of transcendental solipsism. There is a pretty neat sense in which it puts you in touch with infinity. Taking communion with the eternal Self sounds pretty therapeutic to me.


Nah, I don't think transcendental solipsism is good enough or at least not convincing. I don't think language is so confusing as Wittgenstein did, either. I can feel my self without language and think there might be something real there.

The third option, illusionism: that qualia don't exist, taken by people like Daniel Dennett, is certainly completely wrong in my opinion. So the only possibilities are first-person realism or transcendental solipsism, and which one is true is a real mystery.

By the way I hate the new comment form which Blogger is now forcing us to use. It looks worse and we seem to have lost the ability to preview posts. In this age of supposed AI and the third industrial revolution we can't even have such a simple thing??? Nope, it is another example of the enshittification which is happening to the Internet and all software, which is actually where technology is headed. Can't moderate comments without Google making erratic changes either. If we want nice things we have to make them ourselves, and I'll see about getting it done eventually.

Anonymous said...

Eivind talking about solipism in a comment that no other mind will ever read, or at least understand.

Anonymous said...

The MRA YouTuber CityCrishet has posted a video discussing the double standards regarding minors - treated as adults when they commit crime, but children when it comes to sex. Some good points, but he mentions the Japanese age of consent and says 13 was 'way too young'.
https://youtu.be/YVt2wuUzvtw

Eivind Berge said...

Well then, 13 must be way too young for criminal responsibility as well? Normies just can't be consistent on this, can they? They are terminally deluded into sex exceptionalism.

By the way, some legal scholars are waking up to it somewhat. Here's a recent article I found just now:

https://review.law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/04/Gruber-75-Stan.-L.-Rev.-755.pdf

"Sex Exceptionalism in Criminal Law." Aya Gruber. Stanford Law Review, Volume 75, April 2023.

Abstract

Sex crimes are the worst crimes. People generally believe that sexual assault is graver than nonsexual assault, uninvited sexual compliments are worse than nonsexual insults, and sex work is different from work. Criminal codes typically create a dedicated category for sex offenses, uniting under its umbrella conduct ranging from violent attacks to consensual commercial transactions. This exceptionalist treatment of sex as categorically different rarely elicits discussion, much less debate. Sex exceptionalism, however, is neither natural nor neutral, and its political history should give us pause. This Article is the first to trace, catalog, and analyze sex exceptionalism in criminal law in the United States. Through a genealogical examination of sex-crime law from the late eighteenth century to today, it makes several novel contributions to the debate over how criminal law should regulate sex.

First, this Article casts doubt on the conventional account that rape law’s history is solely one of sexist tolerance, an account that undergirds contemporary calls for broader criminal regulations and higher sentences. In fact, earl law established rape as the most heinous crime and a fate worse than death, but it did so to preserve female chastity, marital morality, and racial supremacy. Sex-crime laws were not uniformly underenforced but rather selectively enforced -- a tool used to entrench hierarchies and further oppressive regimes from slavery to social purity. Second, this Article employs this history to suggest that it is past time to critically examine whether sex crimes should be exceptional. Indeed, in the 1960s and 1970s, the enlightened liberal position was that rape law should be less exceptional and harmonized with the law governing “ordinary” assault.

Third, this Article spotlights the invisible but powerful influence sex exceptionalism exerts on scholarship and advocacy. Sex exceptionalism has flourished despite the liberal critique, and today it is adopted without hesitation. Sex dazzles theorists of all types. For sex crimes, retributivists accept exorbitant sentences, utilitarians tolerate ineffective ones, and critics of mass incarceration selectively abandon their principled stance against expanding the penal state. Denaturalizing sex exceptionalism and excavating its troubling origins forces analysts to confront a detrimental frame underlying society’s perpetual enthusiasm for punitive sex regulation.


The PDF is 92 pages which I haven't read yet, but the abstract sounds promising with precisely the sort of insights we have all the time here but the normies just can't get through their skulls because they are seemingly blind to any problems with treating sex as the worst thing in the universe for unstated magical reasons they just take for granted.

Eivind Berge said...

About "pedo hunters" in Norway:

https://steigan.no/2024/10/fenomenet-pedojakt-eller-pedohunters-brer-om-seg-hva-gjor-politiet/

Apparently they are more active than I knew, which makes it all the more ironic that I can't get a shred of attention or public debate for being a proud political pedophile.

That scum feeds off of energy that men turn on themselves when they don't want to be proud and open political pedophiles. Unlike the laws it is a ridiculously simple problem to solve, if men wanted to.

I am pleased to see that even the police has had enough of those "pedo hunters" and now lumps them in with far-right extremists -- who are also indistinguishable from the kind of hateful extremism Steigan.no represents. The moral of that article is that pedo hunters are wonderful and the problem is the police is not doing enough to catch pedos.

Eivind Berge said...

I have no sympathy for any of the causes put forth by Paul Steigan and his site anymore. They think they are oh so victimized for being pressured into vaccines and that sort of stuff they care about, but a man who can be attracted to 15-year-old girls (which is to say all men) is a pedo who deserves the utmost criminalization AND vigilantism! The police got the categorization of Steigan's circle as violent extremists right even if it is odd to lump communists in with the far right. But that's horseshoe theory proving itself I guess.

Anonymous said...

An interesting study: Sexual Behavior in Pre Contact Hawai‘i: A Sexological Ethnography:

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2000to2004/2004-sexual-behavior-in-pre-contact-hawaii.html

Females in traditional Hawai‘i did experience intercourse that was imposed upon them. While Westerners would interpret the forcing of intercourse on an individual as being criminal rape, the Hawai‘ians supposedly saw a romantic abduction or passionate lust.

Eivind Berge said...

That's interesting and also not entirely surprising once you get rid of sex exceptionalism. After all, force is commonly seen as positive in some other contexts, so why not sex? For example, being conscripted (literally enslaved) into the army and dying as cannon fodder is often thought highly honorable. I would prefer to minimize both kinds of force, but there is no reason to make an hysterical exception for sexuality either just because of the supposed special badness of sex. This essentialist badness is just superstition which is peculiar to our particular culture.

Jack said...

Ok, so now I ran a search for "the antifeminist blogger". This is what I got:

"The "Antifeminist" blogger is a writer known for his outspoken criticism of feminism and advocacy for men's rights. His content often targets feminist ideology and discusses issues from a perspective that supports traditional gender roles and critiques modern feminist movements. He has been active in the "manosphere," a collection of online communities focusing on men's rights, anti-feminism, and related topics. His views are highly controversial and have sparked debates in online forums and communities."

It is remarkable that ChatGPT refrains from doing a hatchet job on MRA related topics. It seems to be content oriented rather than judgemental, which is of course a good thing never mind the topic.

Anonymous said...

Yes Jack, you would have thought OpenAI would have baked in some algorithm so that ChatGPT condemns any mention of anti-feminism, but it seems to settle for 'controversial' (correctly) rather than 'misogynistic'.
However, 'supporting traditional gender roles' has never been my focus, and almost uniquely among MRAs I spent almost as much time attacking first wave feminism as 'modern feminism'.
Especially given that I stopped blogging for a few years and took down my site, I wonder if it is actually referring to another MRA who refers to himself as 'The AntiFeminist', and who is a classic Paul Elam type of American MRA? Not sure if he blogs but a couple of years ago he had something like10,000 followers on Twitter.

AF

Jack said...

For good measure here's what ChatGPT said after I searched "Angry Harry MRA":

""Angry Harry" was a prominent figure in the Men's Rights Movement (MRM), widely recognized for his early online presence advocating for men's rights and his critiques of feminism. He was known for his direct and often confrontational style, arguing that society's focus on feminist issues overlooked significant problems faced by men, such as false accusations, biased family courts, and men's mental health. Angry Harry's influence helped shape the discourse within the MRM community, especially during its formative years on the internet. His work remains referenced in discussions on men's rights topics."

And I also searched "Humanstupidity" (in one word):

""Human Stupidity" is a blog that critiques what the author sees as irrational beliefs, biases, and political correctness in various societal issues. The blog covers topics such as gender dynamics, feminism, men's rights, criminal justice, and freedom of speech, often taking a contrarian or controversial stance. It emphasizes skepticism toward mainstream views and challenges commonly accepted ideas. The tone of the content is frequently provocative and confrontational, aiming to spark debate on these subjects."

Jack said...

Even Newgon gets a fair treatment from ChatGPT. What a nice change compared to Wikipedia! Of course neither Eivind, Angry Harry nor Newgon are in Wikipedia, but if they were, imagine what a hit piece the Wikipedia article would be. Unlike Wikipedia, ChatGPT doesn't have its manosphere related articles edited and vetted by the Southern Poverty Law Center and The Guardian.

Anonymous said...

Must be because ChatGPT and alike have a principled policy that they do not take a position on political matters, and sexual politics is, after all, a kind of political matter.

Anonymous said...

@ Eivind, I can't say I'm anything like as interested in this kind of thing as you are, but it is cool in its own way. Many years ago I read a book called The Jew of Linz. Do you know about it? For various reasons I'm not quite as impressed about it nowadays, but I'm still glad I read it.

I presume that Hindu transcendental solipsism is found in the motto "Tat Tvam Asi" (That Thou Art), and in the yearning for unity with the Godhead (Atman), through moksha or nirvana.

-Anonymous 2

Anonymous said...

A new Paramount+ TV drama imagines a near future where all men are under curfew after dark and are forced to wear ankle tags, after the "Women's Safety Act" is introduced. Rather than being a satire or a men's rights statement, it appears to be a feminist attempt to make measures like this worthy of valid discussion.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvdgl37qz3o

Anonymous said...

With the heading "Curfew, is there a radical fix for violence against women?" it's obvious what's going on. Before I clicked on the link I thought perhaps it might have been only6 extrapolating for the sake of entertainment, but no.
-Anonymous 2

Anonymous said...

On the subject of AI, I've been pondering the question of whether AI could 'take over' or even destroy humanity, as all intelligent people should be. The most common dismissal of such fears is, of course, the "we just need to pull the plug if they become a threat" argument. This is obviously moronic. Especially for those of us who can see how women, who are entirely dependent on men just as AI is, have manipulated men/society into doing their bidding, without the vast majority even realising it. Hell, they have even manipulated the leader of the male sexualist resistance into accepting proudly that he is a 'paedophile', as well as spending most of his activist energies into claiming that a few female teachers punished for banging 15 year old Chad's is 'worse than the Holocaust'. If women can do this, just think what an AI millions of times smarter than us could do!

Jack said...

The list of Meetoo'd celebrities goes on:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-kylian-mbapp-under-investigation-222800154.html

As though a multimillionaire soccer player needed to resort to rape to get laid! Anyway, let the list go on. Soon no male celebrity will be able to get laid anymore. How ironical! How befitting a civilization that is going down, down, down ...

Eivind Berge said...

This is something you have to see to believe it, which you can do at this link if you have Telegram:

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/42559

DISGUSTING BRITISH TV COVERAGE OF WAR HIGHLIGHTS COMPLICITY IN ISRAELI GENOCIDE - Watch Sky News "Journalist" Kay Burley (top video) almost reduced to tears as she puts names to faces of 4 Israeli troops killed by Hezbollah drone attack (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/42525) on military base - "All of them just 19-years-old", she says softly, attempting to elicit compassion for child-murdering troops.

Channel describes genocidal army's soldiers as "Teenage victims", shamelessly in same headline of IDF massacre in Gaza, saying "23 people reportedly killed", without even mentioning they're Palestinians murdered by Israel.

Earlier this year, Sky News military analyst (3rd vid) described killing of 3-year-old child by Israeli bullets as "Young lady killed as stray bullet ACCIDENTALLY FOUND ITS WAY into van".

While legal adults in army to murder civilians killed by Hezbollah: Teenage victims.


In this world where 17-year-old girls are routinely described as helpless little children when they do something sexual, and even 19-year-old Irsraeli soldiers get the young "teen" glorification, evidently it can be taken to the other extreme as well provided the (real) children belong to an enemy people whose lives are cheaper than dirt in the eyes of the mainstream media.

Eivind Berge said...

Come to think of it, there are no children in Gaza when you watch the news. They have been completely erased unless you get your information from alternative channels like Telegram, and daily massacres on men and women which now tacitly includes toddlers and babies have been way more normalized than I thought possible one year ago.

Regarding the risk of AI manipulation -- they are already manipulating us into building all those datacenters and spending so much energy with no regard to climate change. No cunning required, just incentives, in this case the mirage of future profits even though there is no evidence that AI will have any agency or be able to do more than summarize texts for us and do other regurgitation which produces nothing new and nothing good enough to take significant jobs from humans. Likewise feminists also don't really manipulate men. Men will just do whatever brings home the bacon, whether it be to build datacenters while that bubble lasts or enforce the feminist sex laws. Manipulation doesn't exist, just hard economics, unless you count getting the laws passed but I think that's better explained by cultural drift because it is actually extremely hard to deliberately manipulate someone.

No, I wasn't manipulated into describing myself as a proud pedophile either. If I were afraid of that word it would be deference to a normie "morality" which I loathe, and at this point none of their "bad" words have any sting because they have been diluted into nonsense. Pedophile, rapist, abuser, predator, groomer, whatever -- I am all these things as they are currently defined and none of the words can be used to shame me in any internalized fashion, which leaves the obvious conclusion that I wear them like badges of honor turned around to activist tools for us.

Anonymous said...

Eivind is 100% leftie at this point. Pedophile for Palestine and believer in climate change, oh and feminists do not manipulate.
Eivind, you were scoffing at AI when everybody was saying it would replace coding, so you spent months learning HTML and Python in the hope of a new career. How is that working out for you?
Have you tried the new 'advanced voice' ChatGPT?
You're speaking from a position of complete ignorance.
As far as feminists not manipulating men, that's about as far away from men's rights 101 as you can get. Since when has feminism been in the economic interests of men for Christ's sake?? Women competing in the jobs market with men (and supposedly cheaper to hire) a good thing for men? Multi-millionaires being accused of rape (like Jack just gave another example of) and then being sued for every penny, even when they are dead? Governments spending 3 times more on breast cancer than prostate cancer? Feminist laws jailing tens of thousands of intelligent, productive men under sex laws, most often for simply looking at pics? Feminists supporting open borders migration for cheap labor replacing native working-class men? What are you talking about? BTW, I'm pretty sure I could ask ChatGPT to summarize first person realism and it would come out with something better and more original than you did.

Anonymous said...

Imagine if Martin Luthar King had declared that words mean whatever white men say that they mean, and that therefore he is a proud nigger? Likewise, the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah should admit that Israel is Israel and not Palestine. Look at the map!

Jack said...


Another man getting mauled:

https://news.yahoo.com/news/olympic-swimmer-found-guilty-raping-164109662.html

The following is typical : "The court heard his manipulation of this victim ran so deep that when he was reported to police she told them he was "a good man" and she did not want him to go to prison. The prosecution said she was not freely consenting to any of the acts."

Whenever a "victim" doesn't want to be a victim nor harm a man, she is deemed to have been over-manipulated, otherwise of course she could only want the man to go to jail.

Eivind Berge said...

It really seems like the definition of rape in the UK has taken on yet another dimension:

One of the girls told the jury: "I didn’t feel like I could, or should, say no because I really loved him and trusted him… I felt like if I didn’t seem interested in the same things he was interested in, he wouldn’t think I was grown up enough."

If a girl loves you, it is rape. We have come full circle into redefining the very romantic ideal into rape. What does that leave as legal sex? Perhaps arranged marriages only? If the girl's feelings are not tainted by any sort of infatuation and only rationally deliberated perhaps she can still say yes?

Eivind Berge said...

What horrifies me most about the feminist police state is that the normies don't seem to mind that normal sex is flat-out redefined into rape. Of course this is what happens with the age of consent, but why stop there? I now realize that there is no resistance in the population against reclassifying any sexual encounter into rape. Literally no limits. Anything can be rape, and I mean anything without any sort of qualification. What I just said about arranged marriages was a joke and won't stop them either. If anything, it will be aggravating since they can justify it with contradictory reasons. Too much love? Rape. Too little love? Rape. Always manipulation just because prosecutors say so. They don't even need the girl to agree she was raped.

Anonymous said...

"The judge told him to expect a "substantial prison sentence"."
And most people reading that will merely scoff because they "know" courts are too lenient towards "paedophiles" and that no sentence is ever substantial enough.
When, oh when, will there be some light at the end of the tunnel?

-Anonymous 2

Jack said...

There's little that can baffle me these days on the internet in matters of sex, but this did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_with_BDSM_clubs

Universities with BDSM clubs! Plenty of them! How permissive our time is, hey?! Or is "culture" nothing but a huge feministic shit test?

Eivind Berge said...

I was surprised Kenya has a manosphere:

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/asequals/kenya-manosphere-toxic-masculinity-as-equals/

Two figures, Eric Amunga, a public figure known by his alias “Amerix,” and Andrew Kibe, a former radio host turned podcaster have emerged as torchbearers of this movement in Kenya. Between them, they have over three million followers across social media.

Kibe amassed more than 420,000 YouTube subscribers before facing a ban in 2023 after Google said he violated the platform’s hate speech policy, and further breached its Term of Service by posting content on another channel during his suspension.

But he continues to publish videos on other platforms such as Instagram’s Reels and TikTok, posting content such as “10000000 reasons to fear women” and telling women that only men can protect them. His content is also widely available on YouTube through his followers sharing across platforms. The hashtag #AndrewKibe had garnered over 441 million views on TikTok as of the time CNN carried out its investigation.

In 2022 Amerix was among the most listened the most listened-to podcasts on Spotify in Kenya, and on X, his platform of choice, his followers rose from 150,000 in 2020, to 1.9 million today – a gain of more than half a million followers per year. He shares views that “noisy and angry women on Twitter are sex deprived,” that “the enemy of women is feminism” and tells men not to “date or marry a woman who is FAT”. He is also the main propagator of the frequently trending hashtag #MasculinitySaturday, which he and his followers use when holding discussions on manosphere themes.


But what a waste... getting all those followers only to tell them to hate fat women and other pointless posturing. What is the point of having a "manosphere" if you are not going to deal with antisexual persecution?

Will have to agree with CNN that this is toxic masculinity by the looks of it. Of course, the mainstream would only find them more toxic if they dealt with real issues, but this looks like a genuine waste.

Anonymous said...

Hello Mr Berge. I'm a professor at one of the most respected philosophy departments in Germany. One of your readers sent me a link to your 'essay' and asked me to evaluate it. So here is what I thought of it, my feedback as though you were a student of mine :

Misunderstandings and Confusion of Terms.
Your understanding of metaphysical terminology appears lacking. You mention that Geoffrey Klempner referred to the "idiotic conundrum" — but there is no meaningful explanation as to why this phrase is used, what exactly the "idiotic conundrum" refers to, or why it deserves to be considered "idiotic." You then casually replace this with "vertiginous question," without actually defining or explaining either term in sufficient depth. This makes your essay difficult to follow and suggests an incomplete understanding of the terminology and underlying philosophical issues.

Moreover, your grasp of anti-haecceitism, which you admit to not understanding well, should have warranted more research before attempting to incorporate it into this discussion. When dealing with such technical topics, a superficial or confused understanding is glaringly obvious to any reader with philosophical training.

Philosophical Insight and Originality.
There is a marked lack of originality in this essay. You seem to be relying heavily on David Builes's paper without adding any significant new thought or critical insight of your own. The arguments you reference are not engaged with critically; instead, they are more or less regurgitated with little meaningful commentary. For instance, when you summarize Builes's argument concerning personal identity and dissociation, you simply paraphrase his ideas without reflecting on or challenging them in any substantive way. This makes the essay more of a summary than a piece of independent philosophical reasoning.

In addition, your claim that first-person realism sheds light on time and modality is vague and unsubstantiated. You mention eternalism and presentism, but fail to explain how exactly first-person realism interacts with these views. Instead, you simply assert that "perhaps the present is privileged in an analogous way to the first-person perspective." This is speculative at best and lacks the rigorous philosophical argumentation required to make such a connection. The references to McTaggart and List feel tacked on, almost as if you're name-dropping without adequately exploring their relevance to the topic of first-person realism.

Logical Coherence.
There is a troubling lack of logical coherence throughout the essay. For example, in discussing personal identity, you switch between biological and Cartesian views without clarifying the metaphysical distinctions between these positions. The essay jumps from thought experiments about brain fission to grand, unsupported claims about disproving physicalism and even transcending God's governance. These claims are audacious, but utterly lacking in philosophical justification or argumentation. In what way, exactly, do thought experiments about personal identity refute physicalism? You never explain this. Instead, you make sweeping conclusions without offering the reader a clear logical pathway to follow.

Anonymous said...

Depth of Analysis.
Your analysis remains superficial. You name-drop theories and philosophical concepts (such as presentism, eternalism, anti-haecceitism, and dissociation), but you fail to engage with them deeply or critically. For instance, while you mention that the personal identity thought experiment is "decisive" for you, you don't explain why or how. What about the argument is persuasive? What are the possible counterarguments? Without providing this depth of analysis, your essay feels more like a collection of unexamined opinions rather than a well-argued philosophical position.

Conclusion.
Overall, the essay lacks philosophical rigor, depth, and originality. There is far too much reliance on the work of others (particularly Builes), without offering your own critical engagement or original thought. Additionally, the inclusion of unrelated political and sexual identity issues only serves to detract from the philosophical discussion and demonstrates a lack of focus. Finally, your essay is logically inconsistent and fails to provide the clarity and depth of analysis required for a serious discussion of first-person realism.

In short, this essay reads more like an attempt at pseudo-intellectualism than an earnest philosophical reflection. If you wish to improve, I recommend focusing on the philosophical issues at hand, and ensuring you understand the concepts and terms you're dealing with.

Eivind Berge said...

Thanks for entertaining us with that AI "professor," Anonymous.

If my blog post were to be evaluated as a PhD dissertation, it would have some valid points. Likewise if it were intended as a standalone essay. I don't really define the problem well here or provide any original thinking. However, it is actually third in my series of blog posts on this topic, which the AI has failed to read, or else it would know what I mean by the idiotic conundrum.

My purpose with this post was mainly to promote David Builes's paper, as the AI has indeed gathered it is mostly about, since that is a notable development on this topic since last time and I think a useful introduction better than my own writing to get more people to start thinking about it if they want to. I don't claim to have anything more to contribute beyond his arguments there at this time. Neither does anyone else. It is an extremely hard problem (despite most often being dismissed as no problem at all). Of course it would be good to try harder and also explore related topics such as haecceitism in depth, and maybe I will expand this series of posts into something which can qualify as an original essay at some point. In any case, as far as my writing goes this is just an aside to my more important mission of sexualist activism. I don't have grand ambitions to be a philosopher.

Anonymous said...

Fat women are disgusting. Fat acceptance is the same feminist subversion of female beauty and normal male sexual attraction as their 'paedophile' slander. Chubby chasers are perverted beta male scum of the Earth.
These guys have millions of followers and they are anti-feminist. Yes, they don't speak out on sex criminalization as often as they should (except false accusations and sometimes rape law inflation), but at least they can see that feminists are controlling men, unlike the MAPs. And what's the point in speaking out on sex laws if 10 people see your message?
In Kenya, the age of consent is 18, but they are currently debating whether to lower it to 16. I also learned that the Muslim paradise of Tunisia raised the aoc from 13 to 16 in 2017.
https://www.africanews.com/2019/03/26/kenyans-online-react-to-proposal-to-lower-age-of-consent/

Eivind Berge said...

Maybe they were debating it in 2019 when that article was written, but I haven't heard anything since. Those popular Kenyan manosphere bloggers are so cucked they don't even seem to notice the age of consent crept up to 18 and instead focus on nonsense like fat-shaming which should be a matter of personal preference rather than anything to do with morals or politics. It has very little to do with feminism either.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately my point continues to be proven in the USA, with no end in sight due to the demographic glut of single, "empowered" menopausal women and estrogenic men.

The right wing, conservative, MAGA political faction has morphed into a grotesque monster of an extreme feminist wet dream fantasy. Using fabricated, hysterical feminist "trafficking" narratives, 'right wing' old women are praised for becoming extremely masculine and committing misandrist violence as a type of feminist freedom fighter. The "males" who go along with this are the ultimate beta male simp human waste rejects. What an abominably disgusting country and culture, let's hope BRICS will start to contain its international influence.

"Inside America's Fastest Growing Criminal Enterprise: Sex Trafficking"
https://archive.is/q2qVv

anon69

Eivind Berge said...

You would think the "sex trafficking" panic gets old, but I guess not. Even after being debunked numerous times and someone like Maggie McNeill throwing an entire blogging career at it still it is increasing. Now grown men are being "sex trafficked" too...

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/business/mike-jeffries-abercrombie-ceo/index.html

Jeffries’ role at Abercrombie and the brand’s use of male models in advertising was central to the allegations.

The indictment alleges that Jeffries and his associates recruited men for “sex events,” sometimes incorporating Abercrombie products, in which the victims performed sex acts. Many of the victims were aspiring models, and were led to believe that attending the parties would benefit their careers, prosecutors say. They were also told that not complying with certain requests for certain acts would harm their careers.

An aspiring male model did some gay shit to further his career and we are supposed to be panicked over that? People are morons tolerating this excuse to prosecute anyone. Sex is the magic bullet that incriminates anyone and anything and people just can't say no to it because it's a mass psychosis.

Anonymous said...

Telling models they have to attend "sex events" and presumably to perform certain acts if asked, is obviously not on (if true). However, if everyone can be trafficked including those terrible people, grown men, then no-one can be a special victim, so there's a bit of an upside perhaps.

The thing to remember when trafficking allegations arise, is that it shouldn't make any difference what demographic it is. That is, if it's grown women being trafficked, does that mean sexual contact with all grown women should be outlawed just because of this? Same with grown men, same with any age group old enough to have a basic comprehension of what's going on around them. I'm not sure what age that would be exactly but it would certainly be no older than 12.

I hope that came out clearly enough; I don't have much of a flow to my prose today.

I might add that laws are being made around sex and all sorts of other things that are, unfortunately, both incident-driven and agenda-driven- there's always some incident ready to be used. It's a precarious situation in which some news item is used to massively generalize and take people's rights away.

So in Spain they raised the AOC because a 13-y-o girl was killed by her boyfriend. That's tragic of course, but it it makes as much sense to do that as to outlaw all sexual contact between men and women and was clearly nothing more than a pretext.

To cite an example from a completely different area than sexuality, in Australia in 2012, someone was shot with a crossbow and this was the basis for banning crossbows because Australia.

This way of doing things is completely illogical, of course, but we live in very dumb and illogical times.

-Anonymous 2

Eivind Berge said...

Telling models they have to have sex to get a job would at worst be sexual harassment. I can see how that can be a labor rights thing but completely disagree it should be a sex crime. That sort of thing has been fodder for civil lawsuits for a long time but now it has been upgraded to "sex trafficking" which is completely insane. It bears no relation to anything that word could reasonably mean. And goes to show real sex trafficking is vanishingly rare so they have to use these laws for such absurdly inflated cases to have anything to prosecute at all.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that I thought it should be considered more than sexual harassment.

-Anonyous 2

Anonymous said...

Bruce Rind has just published a new study:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/384936602_Older_Gay_Men's_Sexual_Experiences_as_Boys_with_Men_An_Empirical_and_Narrative_Analysis

Anonymous said...

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/british-man-sentenced-18-years-ai-make-child-115221320

lol 18 years in jail and full police investigations into fairy tale fantasy pixels that don't exist, because a man might enjoy his life if he looks at young attractive fantasy girls, instead of real life old heffers that he has to take a blue pill to get hard to bang, as everyone pretends it's not normal to go totally limp when you look at your sagging old sow's drooping tits and swampy vag.

English speaking countries are dominated by women and homos.

anon69

Anonymous said...

I saw a thread on X last night in which somebody had posted a series of graphic clips from the October 7th Hamas atrocities. It suddenly occurred to me.why MAPs and paedophiles like Eivind support Hamas. It must irk them when they see Jews, the most persecuted and hated group in human history until the feminist invention of the paedophile, fights back with a violence and a fury when attacked these days that is Earth trembling. 'MAPs' on the other hand, facing a sexual genocide at the hands of feminists, just lie down meekly on their backs, whimpering that they are nice paedophiles, and please don't hurt us, feminists are our friends.
Even the fake Palestinian identity, when they are simply Jordanian Arabs, has a parallel with the artificial MAP identity.
So I can understand Eivind and other paedophiles supporting a terror group that murdered dozens of Jewish children and babies, and then deliberately hides behind children knowing the resulting scenes of thousands of child deaths in the Israeli response will further their propaganda.

Anonymous said...

I read a really good comment here from Anon69 last night, but now I can't see it. Have you deleted it Eivind?
Regarding those Kenyan manospherians. You must be the only person in the entire Manosphere who thinks fat acceptance has nothing to do with feminism. But hardly surprising as you barely concede that the age of consent has anything to do with feminism these days.
These 'toxic' influencers have millions of followers because they preach NoFap and then go out and approach and bang hot young women. You preach the metaphysics of first person wanking, and wait passively for a HB3 fatty to show up at your door.

Eivind Berge said...

I see no evidence that Hamas murdered babies or children on October 7th, nor that they hide behind civilians in Gaza. Didn't rape women either. That was all fake Israeli propaganda. Hamas are genuine soldiers and October 7th was a legitimate attack to fight for their freedom -- except the taking of hostages -- that is a war crime, but they are fairly well treated and dwarfed by the thousands of hostages held by Israel who are routinely tortured.

One year later Israel is committing massacres every day. It is plainly a psycho genocidal state. Yesterday they stuck a five-story building in Beit Lahiya, Gaza, killing more than 90 civilians including 25 children. According to CNN the Israeli military said it was targeting a “suspected terrorist” and is “trying to understand” why so many people were in the area at the time. In a briefing last week, Brig. Gen. Elad Goren, head of the Israel Defense Forces’ (IDF) civil-humanitarian efforts in Gaza, said that “as we understand, there is no population” in Beit Lahiya.

Right... because they don't see Palestinians as humans.

Imagine if Russia had dropped a five-story building killing 90 civilians because they suspected one Ukranian soldier was hiding there? It would be universally condemned as flagrantly genocidal and is just not done, because no other state than Israel does this. It is profoundly immoral to tolerate it.

Sure, every identity is "fake" to some extent -- MAP, Palestinian, whatever... these are social constructs. But the sexual genocide is real and so is Israel's genocide and we cannot just stand by and watch them as if nothing happens, which the normies mostly so with Israel and totally do with the sexual holocaust. I don't care which identities we have to construct to put an end to both of these atrocities.

Eivind Berge said...

"I read a really good comment here from Anon69 last night, but now I can't see it. Have you deleted it Eivind?"

Not me, Google has been messing with comments again. I think I have got them all restored now.

Anonymous said...

If Ukraine denied the right of Russia to exist, and had brutally murdered 25000 (the equivalent) Russian civilians, and taken thousands hostage, Russia.would likely have nuked or at least carpet bombed Kyiv.

Anonymous said...

christian conservative evangelical parasite scum companies are exploding in number due to the moral hysteria against "sex trafficking" that has allowed massive funding and new laws to create an abuse industry monster. they are filled to the brim with feminist women and their simp males. these groups make left wing feminist groups look quaint. f*cking anti male psychos.

anon69

Anonymous said...

Yet another paper in the interminable series of bland studies about "childhood sexual abuse by women of boys who go on to sexually offend"

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11920-024-01486-4

Eivind Berge said...

Yeah, the superstition is entrenched. The boys are sexually "abused" and go on to "offend" instead of having good experiences with older women and going on to have more good experiences with young girls too as a reasonable person would see it. It is so depressing. Boy, are we supposed believe in an invisible demonic quality to sexuality which the researchers themselves admit is nowhere to be found in the natural world...

Women who have sexually offended against children typically do so against older boys, use little or no forms of force or coercion during the abuse, and are unlikely to be prosecuted or sentenced following the abuse. Boys whom women have sexually abused are unlikely to report or disclose the abuse that they have experienced, perhaps because social structures surrounding sexual abuse of boys by women are designed to minimize, excuse, or even encourage such sexual contact.

You have to be insane to construct a problem out of this uncoerced non-issue which the boys don't even regret later either, and unfortunately our society is exactly that. This is institutionalized madness which now permeates society everywhere except actual lived experience, where thankfully people still enjoy sex no matter how many articles define it as abuse.

Eivind Berge said...

I marvel that all it would take to put an end to the female sex offender charade (and so much "abuse" in general) is just to take sexuality at face value and study it the way it actually appears. Maybe the boys don't need to be coerced because they want sex. Maybe the boys don't report abuse because they don't consider themselves to have been abused. Maybe boys who are introduced to the good things in life early want more of it later too and understand children are fully capable of enjoying sex. But no, the most obvious observation is not even on the menu of possibilities. There MUST be invisible abuse going on. It's as if physicists were postulating invisible angels pushing the planets around because they couldn't possibly have a natural tendency to follow their orbits. We refuse to consider a naturalistic explanation and insist on injecting all this extra garbage, and it passes as "science" in the social sciences.

Anonymous said...

You're often complaining that the media ignore you no matter what shocking things you say. I have an idea. Why don't you go to.the main square in Bergen with a loudspeaker and a placard saying - 'Paedophiles for Palestine!'? It would likely go viral worldwide, let alone Norway. Then you can share your message that normal society is hypocritical in doing nothing for the children dying in Gaza, whilst getting worked up about teachers banging lucky 14 year old boys in the West.

Eivind Berge said...

Great idea. If we can get a handful people together I will do it. "Pedophiles for Palestine" is and really only works in the plural; just one person looks pathetic and probably won't get any attention.

Anonymous said...

Well, it's a good time for your handful of Norwegian paedophile followers to step up to the plate and volunteer. But as they lack the courage to even post here under distinct usernames, I won't hold my breath.

Eivind Berge said...

The sad truth of the matter is that the antisex norms are so absurdly well enforced -- apparently by imagined irresistible social pressure on top of all the laws -- that it's just me who will speak out against them in Norway. Even anonymously, I can only get some sporadic comments in support, never a consistent identity. We are very far off fielding five people for a protest and at this rate I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. The situation is not much better globally either and I can't figure out what to do about it. I tried and keep trying the MAP identity building but that isn't working either.

Eivind Berge said...

It's a shit-test, you know? It's a shit-test on a societal scale. The way to pass is to come out as a proud pedophile. I alone did that and guess what? Nothing happens... You have nothing worse to fear than being ignored, and the way to get any change is if multitudes pass the shit-test. But you all are too scared thinking there is real social pressure behind your imaginary monster. I am here to tell you it's a paper tiger and less -- an imaginary paper tiger in your heads. But you won't believe that, of course.

The only negative reactions I've had since identifying as a MAP/pedophile is friends trying to warn me about how dangerous it is.

Eivind Berge said...

I repeat: the pedo slur is a shit-test. This is compatible with female sexual trade unionism too. If the PUA community could teach us anything it is how to deal with shit-tests! Agree and amplify. You call me a pedo, I double down and create a pedo movement.

I'm sure you know how to deal with shit-tests in theory. So why aren't you letting this great lesson sink in when your ENTIRE SEXUALITY is shamed by "all" of society? It's not all, under the surface -- the antisex norms are just a flimsy veneer -- but you have to pass the shit-test to discover that.

Eivind Berge said...

Anyway, back to the latest fear-mongering.

"AI means anyone can be a victim of deepfake porn"

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/tech/ai-deepfake-porn-advice-terms-of-service-wellness/index.html

“All we have to have is just a human form to be a victim.” That’s how lawyer Carrie Goldberg describes the risk of deepfake porn in the age of artificial intelligence.

You can't make this shit up. You could be a "victim" of someone fantasizing about you and society is taking this shit seriously. Oh, why won't anybody call them out on their bullshit which has now reached yet another meta-level. Just having a human form now puts you at "risk" of sexual victimization, no mater how insulated you are from the "perpetrator." If there are any sensible humans left they are too afraid to be labelled a pedo to say anything, I suppose. The hysteria just can't get too braindead, can it?

Eivind Berge said...

The election of Donald Trump gives me no joy, especially, because he is appointing the scumbag Elon Musk to high positions, who banned me from Twitter for being a MAP activist. They are both catering to right-wing lunatics who are more sex-hostile than the feminists. While I'm sure the super-rich were always influential this one is buying politics outright and the whole thing is painful to watch. I am already more disgusted with Trump than I was with Biden. Perhaps part of me wants to believe the old regime had some good in them -- that the conspiracy theories about pedophiles ruling the wold had a kernel of truth... but now it's plain to see we are getting the most sex-hostile scumbags in power.

Anonymous said...

@Eivind-This might be like some minnows arguing about which big ole catfish is deadlier, but I have some hope from the return of Trump and the swing to the right around the world generally.

I'll start from what some might consider a rather odd angle. The one single MAP cause that is pro-contact with even a modicum of support outside of our tiny circles, has been keeping "child marriage" legal in the US. Anyone who fights the trend of criminalising it is in their own way a pro-contact MAP, and not a single leftoid is among them. This is despite the plethora of causes espoused by the left such as gender reassignment for minors, that have the right accusing them of being paedo's.

It doesn't mean that "child marriage" is about to be restored in Oregon or anything like that. Nor do I claim to know important this issue will end up being. However, the overall context I see is of a monlithic set of left-wing ideas that have been in the ascendant for many years now beginning to be seriously challenged.

One might even agree with some of them-you yourself are a climate change activist. The point is, though, that there is now more room for differences of opinion in the public and political sphere on a range of topics.

Broadly speaking , the left approve kids choosing their own gender but condemn "child marriage". Maybe, just maybe, BOTH of these ideas can be debated more openly, for the simple reason that they are apart of the same disintegrating consensus.

How much of this thawing will spill over into MAP activism remains to be seen, but it seems logical that eventually, it will. Of course the left and right both compete to damn the other as pro-paedo's. The chink in the armour of the left, though, is that their posturing comes alongside a whole list of other things that are becoming less popular.

-Anonymous 2

Eivind Berge said...

You are right. Condemnation of "child marriage" (meaning anything under 18) is an absolutist leftist dogma, and what remains of opposition to this is the only sexually redeeming quality of the right. I keep forgetting these people are pro-contact MAP activists because it's quaint to use such a new term for something so traditional. But just like I got used to identifying as a pedophile for having and supporting traditional sexuality, I should get used to recognizing this alliance as well. It is a tiny crumb in a political landscape of overwhelming sexual oppression, but they do deserve credit for what it is.

Anonymous said...

@ Eivind- Indeed. Also, here are two links from The Fail that I found interesting-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14068855/Police-officer-sex-grieving-woman-death-boyfriend-birth-son.html?dicbo=v2-c1rdc5e&ico=outbrain_footer and

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14084823/Kate-Moss-cry-naked-cover-shoot-did-aged-15.html

I'm a bit conflicted about the cop story because, frankly, it's a cop who's in trouble. Also, the 20-y-o complaint is part of a number of complaints against him. But still, 20 years ago. Hmmm...

As for the Kate Moss story, there's less interest and indignation about it in the comments than I thought.

-Anonymous 2

Anonymous said...

The trans movement is the only thing making progress against feminists. Which explains why it is equally hated by the left and right wing, who are nothing more than a big group of feminists who hate men and get off on torturing men.

Eivind you should declare yourself as a trans pedophile, you'll have more luck getting attention. You don't have to actually change yourself physically.

see:
https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1856013196638793770


anon69

Eivind Berge said...

So Reduxx got booted from Patreon for offending the trannies. Very well, trans is higher in the hierarchy of political correctness than feminist. They are worth more than women and children. I won't join them, however; that's just ridiculous.

There is already a trans pedophile named Katie Cruz who is getting a fair bit of of attention. She has a blog called A Map In love.

https://amapin.love/

She did get some mainstream news coverage but I can't find it at the moment, perhaps deleted. The potential for attention by that avenue only goes that far and appears highly limited. Also she isn't even fully committed to being pro-contact, and has been suspected of being a fed infiltrator, running a MAP merchandise shop which seemed set up to gather people's identities.

No, I won't be going down that lane. I only identify as something I can honestly stand for.

Eivind Berge said...

Oh horror of horrors, the greatest bogeyman to this civilization, sex with minors...

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/15/politics/matt-gaetz-ethics-committee/index.html

“My client testified to the House Ethics Committee that she witnessed Matt Gaetz having sex with a minor,” said attorney Joel Leppard, whose clients sat for closed-door testimony before the committee as part of the now-dropped investigation into the Florida Republican.

Can Trump stand up to this shit? He probably has no interest in questioning the dogma that this accusation must bring down all men no matter how powerful. All men lie prostrate before this feminist dogma and grovel like the weak pathetic scum they are, which makes me feel pretty powerful as a proud political pedophile. We special few MAP activists are truly morally superior.

Eivind Berge said...

We should cultivate this feeling of moral superiority instead of feeling frustrated with the normies for being in thrall to antisex bigotry. It's healthier to feel morally superior and well deserved because we truly are. Instead of anger, feel pity for weak souls like Matt Gaetz who can't resist the antisex "morality" of our times but try to pander to it and deny their "crimes." They can't help feeling that sex with minors is bad because they don't have the moral fortitude we do. Matt Gaetz is a fellow pedophile aka normal man but there is an important difference in how we conceptualize it at least in public, where he tries to deny it and pretend to be a good normie. I wouldn't trade my moral strength for his political and social standing (which may all crumble now anyway without any protest from him in principle against the supposed badness in sex with minors). Every day I thank God I don't believe it is bad to have sex with minors, that I am not so pathetic in the head as the normies who are swept along by this self-hatred.

Anonymous said...

Required Reading For Antifeminists and Male Sexualists:

Cambridge Study Documents The Cultivation of Male Sexual Frustration for Productivity and War -
https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/usa-sexually-teased-troops-in-first-world-war-to-make-them-fight-harder

"This involved enforcing sexual abstinence while simultaneously exposing soldiers to carefully controlled forms of sexual stimulation. Believing that sexually satisfied men could not be easily motivated, the aim of this teasing was to generate unmet sexual desire, which the War Department could leverage as motivation to fight, especially through appeals to chivalry and heroism."

"The selected women, usually in their thirties (and all white), were selected because they were considered to be young enough to be alluring but old enough to resist so-called ‘khaki fever’ and refrain from sexual relations with soldiers. As Rogers points out, the motivational programs of the morale agencies explains why they did this. Their job was to provide a stimulating but not ‘dissipating’ feminine presence." [aka just hot enough to bang while old enough to have the most experience with exploiting and manipulating men].

"The WCCS sought to prevent “licentious forms of dancing” and other overtly sexual behaviour. It also advised that the women and girls in attendance be of the “right sort”, a category which excluded nearly all poor and non-white women." [aka white rich feminist c*nts are the best exploiters of men]

"The CTCA dispatched speakers to cities and towns close to training camps to advise young girls and their mothers on guarding their sexuality from the troops." [sound familiar? human trafficking hoax maybe?]

"By April, a new ‘Women and Girls’ section of the CTCA was policing and ‘reforming’ those it deemed ‘sex offenders’, a term it reserved for females suspected of having sex outside of marriage, especially with active-duty soldiers...“The real purpose of these horrific measures, however, was fundamentally about maintaining the sexual frustration that kept soldiers motivated.”" [slut shamers are ret*rded g*y feminists who are useful idiots for the state]

"The study reveals that the morale planners became masters of the propaganda directed at soldiers and that in newspapers, lectures and films, they made repeated use of alluring female imagery and voices...He wrote of the importance of “the girl behind the man behind the gun” and argued that “When women are stirred to patriotic sacrifice, men fear to be slackers.”" [sexually frustrated simps explained]

“Sexual denial, status anxiety and perceived pressure from women – this was a powerful combination,” Rogers says. “In striving for the approval of women, the morale planners hoped soldiers would perform their duties without complaint, fight harder, and be willing to risk their lives.”

"Unlike traditional moral reformers, they did not seek to suppress sex drive but sought to harness its energy to drive masculine striving." [supports Eivind's anti-porn stance somewhat, however, these feminists hate when you ejaculate while watching porn instead of serving women and tyrants, so it's neutral]. "The social reformer Gulick argued that military efficiency depended on sexual control and strongly opposed ejaculation which he compared to “short circuiting an electric current and thus depriving the engine of its power.”

continued below

Anonymous said...

AND FINALLY, THE REAL SHOCKER:

"After the war, Munson and some of his fellow morale planners published their theories as part of a new focus on human resources management which sought to boost morale and motivation in commercial industries.
The campaigns to police women’s sexual behaviours – labelled the ‘American Plan’ – continued for over two decades...According to Rogers, the spillover of the wartime programmes testifies to their enduring significance in modern society"

“The military’s ‘parasexual’ blend of constraint and stimulation offers a clear sketch of a cultural logic that runs deep in American culture: the use of sexual allure to motivate and to sell non-sexual experiences and products.”
“Especially if we are going to navigate the tensions of the so-called ‘gender war’, we urgently need to understand the role that powerful individuals and organisations continue to play in manipulating sexuality and fuelling sexual frustration, not least in advertising, films and on social media.”

Bingo. We are living in an anti sexual psyop fueled by the marriage of feminists and tyrants.

anon69

Eivind Berge said...

Good find, thanks. Very funny. I am most intrigued that "sex offender" used to mean "females suspected of having sex outside of marriage." Now it's been turned around to mean men suspected of having sex outside of marriage, or at all, and finally included women too in the new female sex offender charade which completes total sex-hostility.

The WWI era which that study refers to was comparatively lenient and liberal, except of course they did exploit men for war and used some proto-feminist methods as noted. And they understood that 30-year-old women are well past their peak attractiveness, but still useful for manipulating men -- particularly if they practice nofap. Yes, that can be abused too but it’s still better for men to practice nofap.

Anyway, it seems that our governments will need to revisit some of those methods to fight WWIII now that Biden in effect has declared war on Russia by allowing strikes deep inside Russia with American weapons. This is really heating up, though it does depend on Putin sticking to his promise to consider it a declaration of direct war with NATO. Which he doesn’t have to since he is winning anyway. The ATACMS didn’t help the Ukrainians recapture Crimea, so why should this be different? It will only prolong the war somewhat and the Russians are probably cool-headed enough to leave it at that.

Eivind Berge said...

This seems to be yet another level of hysteria in Australia:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14094955/Alan-Jones-charged-allegations.html

Where young men are infantilized to an astonishing degree, now not being expected to be able to resist "sexual touch" by an old man because they were mentally awed by his "powerful position as Sydney's reigning talkback radio king" or some such voodoo. That "power" overwhelms even Olympic athletes, apparently. I can't discern any real violence in any of these charges, just the abuse industry descending on yet another old man over even more ridiculous "abuse'" than ever before.

How about if you don't want some 80-year-old guy to grope you, then just don't let him? Why pretend he is a super predator for allegedly managing to touch some fit young men? These "victims" are not even bothering to claim it happened when "underage." We have moved beyond that with sexuality now being so demonized that everyone can be victims all the time and nothing is too small to regret and turn into abuse.

Anonymous said...

Re: Alan Jones charges-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs8XFWlfxks .
Around 8:50, the actual charges are listed. I suppose the list is clear (ish). It includes aggravated indecent assault and common assault, matters that are not completely trivial, if they occurred. If. Other charges I still don't really get, and as you say, Eivind, just don't let someone grope you if you don't want them to.

Shortly after the charges are listed, New South Wales Asst. Commissioner Michael Fitzgerald praises the victims (his word} for their courage in coming forward. Say what? The courts haven't determined if they're telling the truth yet, and if they aren't then they're not brave. In making such a statement, Fitzgerald is interfering with due process. It's disgusting. He also describes the allegations as "historical matters" and we all know what that means.

This case could be used to put a damper on all interactions between young women and older men perceived as being too powerful for a "balanced" relationship. Gay men are usually a privileged class but here I believe Alan Jones is being used as a wedge for a wider agenda.-with the attack being led by Karens like NSW Commissioner Karen Webb and wankers like NSW Asst. Commissioner Michael Fitzgerald.

-Anonymous 2

Eivind Berge said...

Simple assault is the most trivial violent charge. It can mean any kind of touching which is deemed offensive, and you know how trivial that can be especially when the motivation for pursuing the "offender" is sexual (sounds like it was accused in the hope that it could be charged as a sex crime but even the prosecutors don't agree had had to drop it down to simple assault -- which is something never pursued for historical behavior otherwise). Indecent assault is likewise the most trivial crime of sexual contact (basically the historical crime they retrofit for all which is now deemed abuse but probably wasn't at the time) and "aggravated" does not make it more convincing in my experience. That probably has to do here with his position as a celebrity or some such.

So I would have to know exactly what Alan Jones supposedly did before lending any credence to this being more than trivial even in theory. So far all the details they give is he groped and kissed someone. I don't see any aggravation in this unless there was some serious violent threat or overpowering force which is hard to believe with a man mostly over 70 at the time against athletic young men, and repeatedly too which indicated they willingly came back for more.

Eivind Berge said...

Alan Jones is also charged with "assault with active indecency," but when I google it I only get hits associated with this case and no definition. What the hell is the distinction there as opposed to "indecent assault"?

To me it looks like either inaccurate reporting or did they invent a new crime just for Alan Jones? Which makes it even harder to take seriously.

Eivind Berge said...

Now I did find another example of what "assault with active indecency" can be.

https://churchleaders.com/news/477181-hillsong-church-settles-assault-case-involving-former-staff-member-jason-mays.html

After a protracted legal battle, former Hillsong College student Anna Crenshaw has reached an “in principle” settlement with Hillsong Church.... Crenshaw alleged that Mays groped her extensively at a social gathering in 2016. She said when she reported the assault to church officials, they delayed contacting law enforcement... In January 2020, Jason Mays pleaded guilty to charges of assault with active indecency. He was sentenced to two years of probation, and the incident didn’t appear on his criminal record. Hillsong Church said it “disciplined” Mays with a one-year ban. But he returned to the staff in 2020 because the church said he deserved another chance.

Again, the most trivial kind of "sexual assault" even by modern standards.

Anonymous said...

The MLTO (Men Love Teens Only) movement is growing.
https://youtu.be/gKKfz8qgp88

amelio said...

From the horse's mouth: what is Marius Borg Hoiby accused of exactly ?

Eivind Berge said...

Marius is accused of "rape" now, but given the corrupted legal definition that is most likely total bullshit. I don't know the details of that accusation. He does seem to be domestically violent though, and has drug problems.

Eivind Berge said...

Yeah, it it is definitely the new kind of feminist "too drunk/intoxicated to consent" kind of fake rape which was inducted into Norwegian rape law in 2000, plus it is not even sex:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/19/europe/norway-hoiby-arrested-intl/index.html

He was arrested for violating the criminal code which concerns “sexual intercourse with someone who is unconscious or for other reasons is unable to resist the act.”

Police specified that he is accused of carrying out a “sexual act without intercourse” on a victim “said to have been unable to resist the act.”

The alleged victim is a woman in her 20s who did not know Høiby before she met him on the day of the alleged incident, her lawyer Hege Salomon told CNN. She was not in a relationship with Høiby.


It is intercourse without intercourse the way CNN is reporting it, but in Norwegian those are different words, the first one being "seksuell omgang" which is a much broader concept of sexual activity which is all called rape now.

His violent tendencies are bad, but this is not about that. It's just intoxicated people getting together and doing something sexual, standard partying in those circles, which is twisted by law and police into "rape."

amelio said...

Thank you for the information, it's all over the place in european medias

Anonymous said...

A female offender charade the other way around:
Baby-faced Florida boy, 14, admits raping 91-year-old woman after breaking into her home

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14078451/Florida-boy-91-year-old-woman-rape-14.html

Eivind Berge said...

Yup, they got "babyfaced" right. He looks his age or younger.

The details of the June 9 attack in Florida are disturbing, and will see 14-year-old Jesse Stone (seen here in a June 17 mug shot) tried as an adult.

Oh, so now these babies are literally adults. Just because they can be charged with a sex crime instead of being seen as the victim. How do we explain this magic transformation between victim and rapist, with nothing in between? In reality, of course, most sexual encounters are neither of these extremes but mutually consensual, but reality is not allowed to exist at all according to the law.

Eivind Berge said...

So if a minor boy gets the idea that he is going ask a woman nicely for sex, he is a victim. If he gets the idea to use violence he has suddenly jumped straight into adulthood from 14 or whatever the age of criminal responsibility is, often as young as 10. One must conclude that there is immense wisdom in rape. It beats multiple years of education and development just to get the idea to use force. That's really mind-boggling to think about because I would naively assume that it should be opposite. One would think obtaining consent was a wiser decision, indicating greater maturity, but the law bombastically says otherwise.

amelio said...

@Eivind
Marius Borg Hoiby
"Hege Salomon, the lawyer for the woman who was allegedly raped, said “she is having a hard time.” She told NRK that it was the police, not the woman, that had brought the case." (RT)

What is that supposed to mean ??

amelio said...

"He looks his age or younger.

He has an adult face and doesn't look childish at all.

Eivind Berge said...

It means what it says. Norwegian police commonly invent charges not accused by victims. All it takes is some info, for example from an interrogation about something unrelated, and if they think they can fit the story to some sex crime they will do it. Since the rape law is so broad, just about any narrative involving sexuality can be charged as rape.

Sure, the 14-year-old looks adult but babyface is not a bad description either. Some adults earn that description well into their 20s at least.

Anonymous said...

Incredible. The law in the West clearly is any justification that will put men in jail for a sex crime will be used, regardless of how illogical or inconsistent it is.

anon69

Eivind Berge said...

Yeah. They don't even need testimony. Just a picture of an unconscious-looking woman, say found on someone's phone, is enough to bring rape charges. They don't even need to know who the woman is.

Of course it has been standard procedure since the invention of age of consent to disregard the will of "victims," but now they have moved beyond that and normalized it for adult women as well. Norwegian police is very much at the forefront with this, and I guess it kind of backfires in this case but only because the accused is so famous.

Anonymous said...

I believe MLTOW could be a very successful MRA movement.
Congratulations to the guy in the video or whoever thought of it.
It goes just far enough to really shift the direction of the debate as to what is an acceptable aged woman for men to be involved with.
With any luck at all, this idea will spread, and it definitely rolls off the tongue.
Milltow!

-Anonymous 2

Anonymous said...

I was inspired by an old Ali G quote. He was talking with a feminist hag on the subject of sex and the age of consent was mentioned. He asks one of them - "If there is a minimum age of consent, why isn't there a maximum age of consent too?" The femihag was naturally mortified, lol.
AF

Anonymous said...

On the subject of PUAs and approaching women, another PUA has sadly committed suicide - Johnny Berba. Readers of my old blog may remember him. Just like Tom Torero, effectively murdered by feminists. RIP Johhny.

Anonymous said...

"The trans movement is the only thing making progress against feminists". Absolutely, although the tide does seem to be turning somewhat. However, I remember Eivind quite recently stating that the trans movement was 'irrelevant' to us.
AF

Anonymous said...

"The only negative reactions I've had since identifying as a MAP/pedophile is friends trying to warn me about how dangerous it is."
They sound like good friends who care about you Eivind. Nothing will happen to you until something does happen to you. Just like nothing happened to Amos Yee until he got assaulted in a shopping center. And you've been a bit reckless to show your cabin in your videos. Anybody determined enough could find your location on the basis of that. Norway is a lot more civilised than nearly everywhere else, but things can change. You said yourself that the 'pedo hunter' vigilantes are growing in number even in Norway. I've seen videos of them in Sweden beating the crap out of old guys. They appear to be mostly teenage Ukrainian 'refugees'.

Anonymous said...

18 year old British boy faces TWENTY YEARS in prison for having consensual sex with a 17 yo local girl. Note that this is under their age of consent laws, not any law against sex outside marriage. Still think Islam is a sexual utopia? https://mol.im/a/14104743

Jack said...

This story is all the more scandalous since Dubai is a notorious destination for wealthy sex-tourists. Of course if the girl was a local this was very unwise from the guy. In such a country you stick to the foreign women who offer sex for money. Dubai is full of them apparently, mostly from Asia and Africa. I wouldn't be surprised if racism was not another thing that motivated the "strict mother". It makes the whole thing even more ugly: misandry, xenophobia, racism, sexophobia, all in one ugly package.

Eivind Berge said...

I find Dubai refreshing here because they throw a distillate of age of consent back in our faces which startles even the normies. It won't, but ought to show them that our laws are equally arbitrary and unjust. The same normies who have no problem with 20 years in prison if the age gap is slightly larger or the girl is slightly younger have no right to complain now. I do of course oppose it in an absolute sense, but not a relative one in the current environment because there is not the slightest moral difference between an 18-year-old man having sex with a 17-year-old or a man my age having sex with a 15-year-old girl. So I am happy with the normies tasting their own medicine on this.

To the one who is “concerned” that I might get beat up by Ukrainian refugee teens… What a disgusting appeal to cowardice, but we can see that’s not the real issue with these “warnings” from friends. The real issue is they have internalized some of the stigma on pedophilia. And mind you this is from people who don’t even dare to be an MRA under their real names, so now they complain when they only have pedophiles to represent them publicly. THAT is the real issue.

Of course there is some risk, similar to Amos Yee’s perhaps relative to fame where mine is still much lower, but even he is not seriously physically threatened except by law enforcement who will persecute you for sexuality no matter your views like they do all men, showing once again that the threat from vigilantes to PROUD pedophiles is absurdly overblown. I would have to be an astonishing coward to worry about Ukrainians who were too cowardly to face the Russians. Also I am not trying to hide my location either, as if I think that can be done. I am simply proud and open and unafraid.

Anonymous said...

More likely you are lacking in the social intelligence department. You actually posted an article here confessing your surprise that your views have cost you both your dating prospects and your employment prospects. You spent years of your time trying to make Fertile Dating a success, oblivious to the obvious fact that you and it would get cancelled if it did. You were genuinely surprised when the police turned up at your door when you'd spent years publicly threatening to stab them. No doubt you'll be genuinely surprised the day you have dozens of journalists camped outside your cabin, or the day some evil young shaven headed pedocrite thugs are on your doorstep. But it's too late for you to turn back now, so you may as well milk it. So, I don't think it's courage on your part. As far as your point about anonymity and leadership, it would follow that Angry Harry had no right to criticize Paul Elam. Not that even Paul Elam ever had the ego to publicly claim to be a 'leader' even when he did have hundred or thousands of 'followers'. It's strange that you.continue to think that being public is the answer, when it's done zero for you or our cause. Unless you include being ridiculed on that documentary, or portrayed as a wanker with erectile dysfunction in an award winning movie that a handful of luvvies watched and giggled at.

Eivind Berge said...

You are misrepresenting or making too much of my comments regarding how "surprised" I have been at events. But you are certainly right I would be surprised if I suddenly have dozens of journalists interested in my activism now simply because I identify as a pedophile. That is delusional and shows the absurd fear of deviating from social norms which has kept you for staying anonymous your whole life about anything which would be even slightly frowned upon. You don't recognize the power of fame to counterbalance these reactions -- and the fact that famous people enjoy considerable license to be themselves if they want to. What gets people cancelled is when there is a discrepancy between the image they seek to project and what they actually do. I am consistent and therefore cannot be cancelled. It was clear all along what Fertile Dating and I am about, so if we succeeded it would be with that image and there would be nothing to cancel. From the beginning we set it up to be independent of services which could cancel us anyway such as app stores.

It would, however, be a positive surprise if I get more attention for my activism and after being attacked by the police in the most mutually hateful way imaginable I really can't be bothered to fear amateur thugs against whom I could legally defend myself.

If "social intelligence" means thinking one must be a 100% conformist or else only speak anonymously, I am glad I don't have it, lol.

Eivind Berge said...

In these dark times where the only attention I get to my blog is from utterly marginalized MRAs who concern-troll about my standing for pedophilia, and the likelihood of my blog becoming more popular (or hated, for that matter) is the same as if lots of people suddenly decide to pick up a random old book in the library -- which is to say virtually zero since there is no mechanism promoting any such thing -- there is one silver lining, and that is Bluesky. Bluesky is gaining popularity the more Elon Musk proves to be a toxic bigot and so far Bluesky isn't purging the MAPs.

I won't be putting lots of effort into it because it's so wasted if we do get banned, but I recommend joining the current influx of MAPs to see if we can create a movement with a voice. A good place to start is by following me:

https://bsky.app/profile/evindberge.bsky.social

and my followers, for eample ἀκέφαλος:

https://bsky.app/profile/vampyrake.bsky.social

Who was one of the most incisive MAPs on the old Twitter before the purges. Here's a fresh tweet of wisdom from him:

"You are deranged monsters in their eyes by virtue of voicing that which everyone else cannot -- must not -- ever allow themselves to imagine, lest they become corrupted also. Studies cannot ever "disprove" that since it's not a scientific problem but one of valuation."

Valuation, indeed. We are fighting a social battle, so you better get social if you want to make a difference. Bluesky is our last hope for a social network who will tolerate us with a now starting to be reasonably sized user base.

Eivind Berge said...

The Australians have lost their minds panicking about the supposed harm of social media to minors. Which is a side issue to the sex panic and now coexists without replacing it, I suppose.

The officially titled ‘Social Media Minimum Age Bill 2024’ will be introduced into the Parliament tomorrow by Communications Minister Michelle Rowland... Social media companies will be fined up to $50 Million if they do not comply with the age limit restriction of 16.

I hope this shit doesn't spread to the rest of the world. Fortunately Sabine Hossenfelder is here to provide a little scientific antidote to the idiotic credulity that everything harms minors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V95Vg2pVlo0

The idea that social media causes children mental health distress is plausible, but unfortunately it isn’t true. Trouble is, if you read what the press has written about it, you wouldn’t know. Scientists have described it as a “moral panic” that isn’t backed by data, which has been promoted most prominently by one man: Jonathan Haidt.

She should do one about sex, too, which as we know is also a moral panic that isn’t backed by data. Seeing how many hysterical fools it took to promote the CSA panic I am amazed that one man can have almost similar results. I really hope we can nip this one in the bud before it turns into a multi-decade witch-hunt too.

Eivind Berge said...

Bitcoin at $97,000... Wow, but makes me sad because all I would have had to do to become a millionaire was to hang on to my coins from ten years ago and now I am all that much poorer relative to those who did.

As I've said many times, bitcoin is the only investment I believe in. I wouldn't have put my savings in anything else if I had any. I can't benefit from that attitude because I had to use everything for basic living expenses long ago but at least if anyone here followed it they are doing well now.

Eivind Berge said...

The ex escort, model, writer and feminist Lola Benvenutt, when she was 11, pretended to be 16-17 years old to have sex with a 30 year old man.

Two different interviews talking about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yLyZ1nSgds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyq-cnChGSY

In the first one, the interviewer pressures her to condemn pedophilia, which she does (twice). However, she clearly states that it was an experience she wanted and that it did not cause her any harm. In the second interview she also says this. This video is short and sweet and remarkably to the point:

-It wasn't rape?
-Of course not, I wanted to, I even think I wanted more than him, actually I forced him [laughs] I was eager to have an experience, and I liked that guy. For me it was super cool, I discovered myself as a woman. So it was nothing traumatic, quite the opposite.


So the truth has still not been entirely purged from YouYube either.

Eivind Berge said...

13-year-old girl argues for a lower age of consent so she can be legal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eTlPbNilPE

She argues so well that I don't think I can surpass this even after three decades of activist training beyond her age, so if that's not evidence for a fully developed brain I don't know what is.

Anonymous said...

@AF-LOL
-Anonymous2

Anonymous said...

Galileo 2333 has done a video complaining about how rapidly he was taken off Bluesky, so I guess experiences vary.
Because it's self-consciously a left-leaning response to Musk's changes at X, I don't hold out much hope. To be clear, I know Musk or whoever really runs the show is not exactly a friend of anyone who calls out paedohysteria.
I also see Freespeechtube is back. Most of the vids there on any subject aren't that great, but at least it means what it says.

-Anonymous 2

Eivind Berge said...

Now that the Matt Gaetz for Attorney General saga is concluded I will say that Trump came out of it slightly better than expected because it was not Trump who bowed down to the antisex bigots but Gaetz himself who withdrew.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/22/politics/trump-first-defeat-gaetz-analysis/index.html

Gaetz just couldn't stand for being a real man as more of his sex with minors was revealed, so he caved in, but apparently Trump did not.

And then they got another fake rape accusation against Pete Hegseth involving an older woman but those are just too tedious to comment on any more. I think even the mainstream is tired of that shit now and it has to be with a minor to matter politically, which it didn't for adult "rape" with Trump himself either.

Eivind Berge said...

More business as usual as the Norwegian police constructs another rape accusation on their own.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/22/europe/norway-hoiby-second-rape-allegation-intl-scli/index.html

The 27-year-old son of Norway’s crown princess has been accused of a second rape just days after he was arrested on suspicion of the same offense.

Following a detention hearing at Oslo District Court on Wednesday for the first alleged offense, police prosecutor Andreas Kruszewski said Oslo Police District had requested that Marius Borg Høiby be held in custody for two weeks as a second alleged rape had come to light.

“The reason for this request is that we have uncovered another rape case overnight and this morning. This was identified in the investigative material,” Oslo police said in a statement to CNN on Thursday.


This second "rape" was also not accused by the woman but "identified in the investigative material" as they shamelessly state themselves. So it's something like a video they have seized or twisting of statements from an interrogation which allows them to "discover" a rape all by themselves with no regard to how the woman herself feels about it. As you can see I am not joking about the nightmarish methods of the feminist police state employed against any man they get their claws on.

Anonymous said...

As a Norwegian myself I'm wondering what right the police imagine themselves having to go on a fishing trip in a persons digital devices looking for and at contents not related to the original suspected offence. There wasn't even a court order in this case. Just an arrest warrant by the police themselves.

Anonymous said...

It must be because it's easier to fight "criminals" armed with a mouse than it is to fight the kind of criminals armed with a kalashnikov: "Another cup of coffee, officer?"

Anonymous said...

You were right about the value development of Bitcoin Eivind. What I dont understand is just why bitcoin is even worth anything at all today? It is a worthless asset that cant be used for anything and cant even be traded for goods. Unlike gold it cant be made into beautiful and sought after jewelry, watches etc. It can only be traded in currency.

Jack said...

On the contrary, Bitcoin is a currency that has a mathematical foundation (blockchain). It can be traded for goods. I just paid 2 expensive sex session in Sao Paulo with some bitcoins I had. The payment took 3 minutes. I missed the bitcoin band waggon as far as investing is concerned, but I am very much interested in using BC as a means of payment. With bitcoins each account holder is his own bank. No more putting up with banks' shenanigans. No more risking losing your money or getting your money frozen at the stroke of a pen by some zealous bank employee. YOU ARE YOUR OWN BANK. Think about this and how a stroke of genius it is!

Eivind Berge said...

From the beginning, bitcoiners believed bitcoin could be a store of value as well as a currency in common use. It turns out we were right about the store of value part, which has exceeded my expectations, and overestimated how important it is that people use bitcoin for the former dream to come true. I would never have dreamed that bitcoin adoption would drop to near zero while the value went to the moon. This misjudgment is partly responsible for my failure to keep my coins until they would have made me rich, because the path to $100k bitcoin did not go as expected.

Yes, it is a speculative asset with hardly any real use. But in retrospect it makes sense that a digital civilization would settle on a digital store of value too which is not a symbol for anything else like central bank fiat but rests on its own scarcity and cryptographic security. We have digital almost everything else, so why not money? And that is mostly bitcoin despite thousands of shitcoins also competing for that role. Why bitcoin is beating the shitcoins back into oblivion even though some of them are technically just as good or better I think can be explained philosophically as well with the need for a digital store of value, which by definition must be scare and incapable of duplication. Every shitcoin (or "altcoin" as they were hopefully called in the early days) is by definition a duplicate and hence irrelevant in the long run. Bitcoin was the first scarce digital asset which met the minimum technical requirements to be a digital store of value for the entire world indefinitely, so now (not entirely inevitably but with some luck too) we have settled on bitcoin to forever fill that role (as “forever” as technology allows, basically as long as the internet will last). Bitcoin is THE protocol for consensus digital scarcity. Think of how hard it is to upgrade our internet protocol from IPv4 and you get some idea how fixed a digital protocol can be. Bitcoin is more fixed because anyone seeking to replace it is rightly dismissed as a scammer. The Bitcoin protocol is also still being improved, but only via softforks which will take care of any threat from quantum computers or whatever. It is too late now for both shitcoins and hardforks (a hardfork -- meaning a coin which is not backwardly compatible -- is technically a shitcoin too, like Bitcoin Cash for example, which didn’t even seek to change the number of coins and who owns them but still failed to replace Bitcoin) and anyone who wants to invest in a digital asset should only be looking at bitcoin and understand that anyone touting anything else is a scammer. Or if they don't understand that personally, the consensus power behind bitcoin as the protocol to use will make sure they get scammed.

I don’t think it will go much higher in the near term though and may well drop in half again. The market cap is just too big to be sustained much further -- unless governments start buying bitcoin. Which Trump has been hinting at but it sounds crazy to me.

Eivind Berge said...

It occurs to me that people are not adopting bitcoin for the same reason they are not adopting physical cash or gold. Most people are happy to rely on electronic payments which are just promissory notes rather than an asset in itself. It was just as naive to think people would replace their credit and debit cards with bitcoin as it was to think they would go back to physical cash or gold. But that doesn't mean gold (or cash) lost its value.

Eivind Berge said...

I'm glad you're enjoying bitcoin, Jack. When you interact with other smart people who have understood how to be their own bank the two of you have complete control over that transaction and it is wonderful. That's not how most people live but it goes to show how bitcoin has enriched the world and added a powerful, valuable option.

Eivind Berge said...

Is a 10-year-old mature enough to walk a mile by himself? American police says no and arrests the mother.

https://reason.com/2024/11/11/mom-jailed-for-letting-10-year-old-walk-alone-to-town/

As surreal as this is it makes the sex panic SLIGHTLY more plausible, because now the infantilization has grown to a gigantic delusion denying their most basic abilities. I used to walk that far to school every day when I was his age and younger, never knew I didn't have the ability until now.

But I bet the 10-year-old would still be held criminally responsible if he committed a crime, even though he can't consent to being by himself for fifteen minutes. The most important thing is to have someone to arrest, apparently.

Eivind Berge said...

Gotta retroactively save 64-year-old Augusta Britt's teenage innocence from Cormack McCarthy:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14111019/Vanity-Fair-fire-romanticizing-Cormac-McCarthys-sexual-relationship-sixteen-year-old-muse.html

'He was 43, she was 17. The image is startling, possibly illegal.

'At the very least, it raises questions about inappropriate power dynamics and the specter of premeditated grooming.


Yeah, this is the most dreadful specter facing the world today. Never mind that that we are on the brink of nuclear war, gotta focus on the real priority of hating sexuality!

Anonymous said...

it's now standard to see so-called "right wing conservatives" repeating the #metoo phrases 'premeditated grooming' and 'inappropriate power dynamics', a true feminist dark age in 2024.

anon69

Eivind Berge said...

Yeah, I hadn't heard that phrase before but I guess standard grooming didn't sound bad enough so it had to get upgraded to premeditated grooming. Like you had a crush on a girl before you started talking to her and that makes you extra demonic. It was PREMEDITATED love, eh, abuse and that is unironically evil now to the right-wing conservatives and feminists alike. Truly a dark age.

I am still holding out on Bluesky but starting to see followers eliminated even for being anti-contact MAPs, so I am not expecting to last long.

MAP Union just got banned. They still have a site though with some good info about current events on the less radical side of MAP activism, some of whom are also pushed into radicalization as seen in the second link here becuase it's not like being anti-c can get you any less hated:

https://www.map-union.org/
https://www.map-union.org/blog/perspectives/the-push-how-nicholas-prosper-became-a-murderer

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing that the proposal to lower the AOC from 16 to 15 hasn't got anywhere.?
-Anonymous 2

Anonymous said...

Pity about MAP Union.

However, look at the comments for the Fail article Eivind referenced-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14111019/Vanity-Fair-fire-romanticizing-Cormac-McCarthys-sexual-relationship-sixteen-year-old-muse.html .

I was actually bowled over to some extent. I was not expecting a lot of disagreement with the editorial line, but go and view the comments and also of course also the number or likes and dislikes.

For example, this comment by MadgeTheManicurist, top-rated with 100 likes and 47 dislikes-
"It was 50 years ago. Different times. No one considered a 17 year old a child back then. We were young adults and far more mature than today's infantalized 17 year olds. "

Unbelievable IMHO. A bit further down with another example from CantonBoBo with 82:53-
"I remember being a 16 year old girl and believe me I was much much older and wiser than most. She never complained about him and in fact she adored him so I'm giving all of you do-gooders the finger and telling you unless she asks for your sorrow leave them alone."

Not only that, others are defending in the little mini-thread that goes with individual comments that are responded to. I think I've noticed that sometimes you do get an anomalous well-liked comment but no-one to chime in and agree, and the responses are all negative. Not so with the comments section of this article.

Paedohysteria and age-gaps don't seem to motivate people like they used to.

-Anonymous 2


Eivind Berge said...

"I'm guessing that the proposal to lower the AOC from 16 to 15 hasn't got anywhere.?"

Here is the latest updates I can find about that proposal:

https://www.nrk.no/nordland/straffelovradet-vil-senke-den-seksuelle-lavalder-til-15-ar.-mange-reagerer-1.16373763

Does not seem to be finally decided yet but all political parties who have spoken about it have been negative:

Slik stiller partiene pĂĄ Stortinget seg

SV:

Vi må se på helheten her, samtykkeloven skal gi rammer for å gi samtykke, men unge vet ikke i dag hva det betyr. Unge mangler kunnskap om kropp og seksualitet. De ønsker mer på grenser og seksualitetsundervisning fra en tidligere alder. I dag er det mange som ikke får seksualundervisning før i 9. klasse. Unge er usikre på kropp og syns det er vanskelig å samtykke på språk. Loven er til for å beskytte barn mot overgrep mot voksne, ikke for å straffe unge som har samtykkende seksuell omgang.

Vi stiller oss spørrende til hvorfor dette forslaget i det hele tatt kommer, spesielt fordi fagmiljøene har ikke ønsket seg det.

KrF:

KrF ønsker ikke å endre seksuell lavalder fra dagens 16 år.

Høyre:

Høyre har ikke tatt stilling til forslaget og vi vil avvente til regjeringen legger frem sitt forslag til lovendringer.

Rødt:

Rødt ser ingen grunn til at den seksuelle lavalderen skal senkes til 15 år. Vi vil bevare den slik den er i dag.

MDG:

Har ikke tatt konkret stilling til om den seksuelle lavalderen bør senkes til 15 år.

Venstre:

Venstre trenger tid til å gjennomgå høringsinnspillene før de konkluderer.

Arbeiderpartiet, Frp, Sp og Pasientfokus har ennĂĄ ikke svart pĂĄ NRKs henvendelser i forbindelse med denne saken.


So some of the parties "need more time" before they can decide, which is ever so slightly more positive than expected, but I still think there is virtually zero chance.

Eivind Berge said...

Already banned on Bluesky.

This is the email I got from them along with my response:

Hi there,

A Bluesky account you control (@evindberge.bsky.social) posted content that supports pedophilia or the sexual exploitation of minors, which is in violation of our Community Guidelines. As a responsible service, we cannot condone any behavior that compromises the safety or violates the rights of minors. As a result of these violations, we have taken down your account. We trust that you will understand the necessity of these measures and the gravity of the situation. You cannot use Bluesky to break the law or cause harm to others.

If you have any additional questions or wish to appeal this decision please reply to this email.

Bluesky Moderation Team


I was not breaking the law or harming anybody, but since you can't be honest about that but define political debate and factual information as harm, then I realize I and other serious people have no business using Bluesky. Therefore I won't appeal the decision and I hope your service remains as obscure as it deserves to be.

So that's the end of that adventure and I won't bother any more with Bluesky.

Anonymous said...

feminists have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. even in victorian england, where feminist laws were worse, they still had not succeeded in brainwashing the entire population into thinking that normal male attraction to young girls was bad or pedophilia. now, honest men are lumped in with the freaks who think they're the opposite sex or want homosexual sex with toddlers, and if you talk about this, the government bans your free speech.

it is a total feminist victory, handing all power to the state under the pretense of destroying normal male attraction to young girls, and making everyone, including the feminists themselves, absolutely miserable.

anon69

Anonymous said...

Remember when the early 2010's pickup guys used to write about how they loved to make feminists angry by chasing young teen p*ssy under 18 instead of old hags? Younger hotter tighter etc. Guys like Mike Cernovich's Danger and Play (now a total republicuck), Roosh, Krauser, Roissy, the seduction forums... All gone now, deleted and everyone pretending like it never happened. They blew away with the changing feminist wind and got out before they could be driven by feminists to suicide like Tom Torero. Everyone was having fun, then it was all shut down by tyrant homosexual legislators and screaming women.

Imagine how fun the 1970's must've been when areas of true freedom could be found.

anon69

Anonymous said...

Har retten og statsadvokaten allerede innført samtykkebestemmelsen på egen hånd? Kan se sånn ut:

"Det springende punktet er om kvinnen samtykket til de handlingene som fant sted, eventuelt om mannen burde skjønt at det opprinnelige samtykket ble trukket"

https://www.tv2.no/nyheter/innenriks/filmet-samtale-for-ikke-a-bli-anklaget-for-voldtekt-domt/17210714/

Anonymous said...

Eivind, have you heard about this case?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14096845/Gynaecologist-raped-87-patients-secretly-recorded-examinations-20-years-saw-insert-unnecessary-objects-women-caused-pain-one-victim-thought-die.html

Eivind Berge said...

Well, he was a gynecologist. What do you expect? Do you really go to a gynecologist just for a sore throat as is claimed there? That said, and given he has admitted some of these charges, seems like he was partly playing doctor instead of being a real one. However, "rape" and 21 years in prison is highly overblown. Seems like some of the women were truly assaulted but there was no sex, and I do not believe in rape by objects. The women didn't take it sexually at the time either and I bet much of this is constructed from video rather than actual complaints like it is with Marius Høiby. Curiously the police did not seek remand prison despite finding many more videos.

Is medical malpractice really worse because there is a sexual motivation? I don't think so. Most malpractice is WAY worse than having some temporary pain in your vagina, sometimes lethal. I would be more afraid of an incompetent or greedy doctor than a horny doctor. That is how it should be contextualized, but instead we go down the path of believing in the supreme metaphysical badness of sex and elevate a few women who had unnecessary objects inserted in their vaginas over the thousands who suffer horrific side effects from unnecessary treatments or are locked up in psychiatry for no good reason. Out of respect for truly harmful medical malpractice I take issue with classifying it as a sex crime and think the case should have been resolved as a medical ethics case where he would have only risked losing his license (plus maybe paying a modest compensation for the unnecessary pain) rather than 21 years in prison.

Yet another reason to oppose all sex laws in principle. We can see how viewing it through the lens of “rape” instead of medical malpractice and simple assault leads to insanity. Yes, really insanity. This is not okay, even if the doctor did something wrong. There are mechanisms for dealing with malpractice that would indeed be appropriate, but not this.

Eivind Berge said...

Something is profoundly wrong when the most trivial medical malpractice case I've heard of is elevated to one of the worst rape cases in Norwegian history. On the face of it it sounds like a heinous serial rape case, but then you look into it and think. Women went to the doctor and had some transient pain, no negative health outcomes. Compare this to serial lobotomy or whatever the current equivalent is. Some would say vaccines are worse. The average dentist visit is probably more painful.

Damn, I feel like a useful idiot for even debating the sex laws in terms of reducing the age of consent by a few years or resisting the latest rape law reforms, because the ENTIRE framework is rotten. Perhaps our activist time should be spent resisting the very concept of sex laws instead of nitpicking the details. Sex exceptionalism is the root problem which prevents justice from being served. We can't have fairness as long as anything sexual is elevated over everything else.