Monday, April 07, 2025

Do you want to be a toothless activist or a MAP?

You should write so that every word draws blood. So says Walt Whitman in his "Preface to the Leaves of Grass" (1855), and it is still the best advice about writing I ever heard. It is the standard I try to live up to. Metaphorically, of course, but you know it when you see it. I don’t see it at the Antifeminist’s blog which he has restarted in an effort to “dethrone” me as the leader of male sexualism. Nor do I think my impression is unique, as proven by the paucity of comments there. But by all means, if people want to follow him and his style of activism instead of mine then you are all free to do so. Here, I'll even link him so you can easily check it out yourself.

Now, back to drawing blood. I don’t feel threatened by competitors because this is not a competition. The problem we are both addressing is that society is at war with sexuality. The AF is “pro male sexuality” or “sexualist” to which Tom Grauer has refined the term – and so am I. I do not feel these words draw blood, however. While I was initially an enthusiastic MRA and male sexualist, after decades of trial and error I now realize society’s reaction is “meh” to all of that. Not because they by any means agree, but because it does not convey that we substantially disagree with the normies.

To express disagreement in line with Whitman’s advice you have to embrace the MAP identity. You have to be a proud pedophile. This identity has teeth in the current environment. It signifies that we dare to be different from the normies. We do not bend to irrational norms and myths about fake harm in sexuality.

It is the prerogative of a living language to give words new meanings. Aside from a strictly clinical sense, pedophilia is not what it used to mean when I grew up. It is not just about attraction to prepubescent children anymore. When someone like Epstein -- who was never credibly accused of involvement with a girl younger than fourteen -- is defined as a pedophile in all seriousness by all the normies, it is time to embrace the label if you admire the man, which I proudly admit that I do. Pedophilia is just a synonym for normal sexuality now. I have no patience for any pretense that I am not normal, so I would be offended if you don't include me in the new pedophilia. Having established that identity the logical next step is to stand up for my sexuality politically via the MAP movement more so than the failed MRA approach.

The MAP movement gives me renewed optimism about political activism. It gives me a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that is obviously not present in the MRA movement which, if you have followed the comments on my blog, you can tell is reduced to infighting with the Antifeminist.

He can go his own way and I wish him luck. The more activists the merrier and of course we don't all need to follow the same ideological approach as long as we resist the sex laws.

And then we can make this blog a friendlier place, and focus on good writing rather than pointless quarrels. We shall see which blog readers prefer.

Incidentally, the quality I am referring to is also what is lacking in AI-generated writing, which makes it all the more important and meaningful to cultivate today. It is one thing still only humans can do. Computers can generate texts which look like poems, but they cannot produce poetry. And needless to say, none of the normies' arguments for their sex-hostility draw blood. Which is why they have to resort to drawing literal blood to have their way, via their thugs in law enforcement and vigilantes.

Yes, that's an occupational hazard in my line of activism. It is almost a rite of passage when you go public. Nathan Larson, Amos Yee, Tom O'Carroll, myself -- we've all been imprisoned. The Antifeminst views that as a terrifying barrier rather than the stepping-stone it is to more freedom than you get while anonymous. Because if you aren't hiding, there is no sport in hunting you.

But at least he dared to begin blogging again. I look forward to having more interesting discussions with my commenters now that we don't have to use half the bandwidth explaining what is wrong with wanking and porn or why standing up for female "sex offenders" is important, but chances are he'll be so lonely at his blog that not much will change.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

1/ I just told you this morning that I have ZERO desire to be a leader of a non-existant movement. There is NO leader. There is NO movement. I don't have your universe sized ego.
2/ You don't draw anybody's blood, and certainly not that of our feminist enemy when you obess with giving whores sucking underage black cock the pussy pass or in blaming everything 'cultural drift'. You even had a feminist make a black comedy out of you and you were proud of it FFS. Feminists just see you as a joke.
3/ Again, mocking other people for 'fearing prison' when you live in a country famous for having literal holiday camps as prisons, as well as mocking others for being 'anonymous' and being unable to see the irony in having two or three followers after 20 years of whom the only common characteristic is that they refuse even to give themselves unique handles.
You wont even take a cheap flight to Eastern Europe to bang a sex worker because you're afraid of going to prison.
(AF)

Eivind Berge said...

Here's another example of toothless MRA writing:

https://beyondhighbrow.substack.com/p/statutory-rape-in-california-2025

Robert Lindsay is being instructive here about the state of prosecutions for statutory rape in California (which is surprisingly lenient if the girl is 16 or 17), and he does kind of timidly convey sex-positivity, but my God is he toothless!

Considering that I don’t engage in this behavior, I’m just going by what I’ve read and what people have told me... I could care less about an age 18 AOC, though I’m afraid it does hinder me in some ways, but I can live with that. I have no problem following a law like that as I have a lot of self-control... To me talking to an older adolescent girl is like talking to a woman. I’ll talk to her, though I won’t talk dirty to her or touch her. She’s just another human being for me... In spite of all of this, I’m still not inclined to break those laws. I know I’m unlikely to be arrested, but I’m terrified of going to jail, and the last thing I need at this point in my life is an arrest for “being a pedophile.” Especially not in this climate. Even if I got away with it, I’d have to live with the guilt of breaking that law for the rest of my life. I’ll break some laws all right, but that’s one law I don’t want to break. I don’t need any more guilt trips. I have way too much to feel guilty about as it is.

If that doesn't make you wanna run to the MAP movement out of sheer cringe at the best writers who are otherwise supposed to uphold masculine values, I don't know what will.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Holocaust21 in that I respect both Eivind and AF greatly, and I will continue to follow both in the hopes that their different methods will produce positive results. The bottom line is, both are for the acknowledgement and elimination of extreme anti-male repression, and complement each other to an extent. I think Eivind discounts the utility and anti-feminist nature of sexual crutches like porn and especially AI, and I think AF discounts the role other males play in the enforcement of anti-male policies against other men (pedocrites are the prime examples, but most less powerful cowards act the same way).

Here's one such example. An arab guy living in the USA who decided to be a violent "pedo hunter", pretending to be 15 and assaulting a 70+ year old man.

https://archive.is/6tN7K

The confused arab chose the online name Juujika, which is "a Japanese literary character who seeks vengeance on those who had bullied him." Hmmm. Could it be that, maybe, this arab living in the USA was affected by the white feminist racists who bullied him about muhammad having a 9 year old wife? And that this arab decided to seek vengeance by attacking a white man who was willing to go for something the arab simultaneously wanted and hated about himself, due to the bullying from other white people who looked like the man?

Either way, the anti-male state wins both sides of the coin - it locks up the white man for wanting something hot and young, and it locks up the confused pedo hunter/pedocrite who projects his jealous anger on to his victim who dared to break feminist laws that the attacker is too afraid to break himself. Violent cowards, simps.

And how does the feminine, anti-male culture respond? Well, by creating a new category of abuse called "micro-cheating" of course. It's a great new tool for feminist "clinical psychologists" to turn the screws a little tighter against men. This "micro-cheating" is all about the strict monopolization of a man's attention and resources, the miserable boss c*nt in the article says so herself - "getting needs met outside of your primary relationship can lead to neglect of that relationship."

https://archive.is/6aj6d

Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?

By the way, if these baby boy violent child simps managed to get some male friends or male support group members, they wouldn't have to look to women for so much of their emotional fulfillment, which would reduce their jealousy, paradoxical slut shaming, and support for the anti-male state in general.

anon69

Jack said...

I agree posing as a pedo or a MAP is only feasable in a limited number of countries, and provided you don't travel much. In the part of the World where I live, pedophile means a particular category of serious criminals, period. Were I to identify as one, I'd go to jail, or in the best case get deported.

I also experienced how noxious men can be, alas. Even in a country that rates as a pussy haven, or at least a country where men can get laid at no extortionate cost, over the past 6 years I had 3 narrow escapes with sex tourists who were jealous or wanted to play jealous to impress their paid woman. Two were arabs, one was a Frenchman. Had it come to blows the local police would probably have been on my side but that would be little use if I emerged with a broken nose. If men put 1% of the agressivity they put into fighting other men into fighting the gynocracy, we wouldn't be here.

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, Jack, but that goes for all kinds of political activity as a foreigner. The Trump administration is asking foreign students to self-deport because they protested Israel’s genocide in Gaza:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/hundreds-of-international-students-are-waking-up-to-an-email-asking-them-to-self-deport-for-campus-activism-or-even-sharing-posts-on-social-media/articleshow/119679695.cms

They would have been better off as MAP activists. I kind of was doing that already when I was a student in the US except we called it MRAism at the time.

Beyond that youthful folly I wouldn’t try to be an activist in a foreign country and don’t recommend it. Not that citizens really have rights either, but I feel it may be worth making sacrifices for your natural right to have a say in a society you were born into just like everyone else -- that’s the only kind of patriotism I feel, not nationalism but more like democracy even though I know it’s all an illusion. The only right you can count on is not being deported from your home country. Everything else is up for grabs, with the very most important right imaginable (to a jury trial) already taken from Norwegians, which means we are no longer a democracy even in theory but overt tyranny.

Anonymous said...

Ikke bare har vi mistet juryen i Norge, men det er tydeligvis også forventet at fagdommere i saker skal stoppe meddommere fra å utføre plikten sin som eksempelvis å stille kritiske spørsmål til vitner.

https://rett24.no/articles/tingrettsdommer-far-disiplinaerkritikk-for-manglende-kontroll-pa-meddommeren

Anonymous said...

Sorry about that Jack. I had a similar experience, but with a USA conservative from Arizona. Arabs, conservatives, same type of pathetic and jealous losers with women because they themselves are immature and stupid.

anon69

Anonymous said...

In relation to the various activists who paid with prison for their ideas, it is also worth mentioning Robin Sharpe who, despite being a pederast, managed completely on his own to challenge and get repealed the law about possession of CP in Canada (albeit for a short period). And last but not least, he was a skilled writer. Unfortunately he is no longer with us either, but his website is still online and definitely worth reading:

https://www.robinsharpe.ca/

Eivind Berge said...

Thanks for bringing up Robin Sharpe. I was not aware of him. I see he was one of those pre-Internet activists whose career basically ended where mine began, around 2000, and thankfully he left an archive of his writings. After having scratched the surface I can already confidently say he is a man whose words draw blood, a poet even. Two poems of his already stand out as saying things better than I have. In the first one, “Almost as lonely as God,” I see my own activist journey. How incisive it is to keep it real! And the second one sends basically the same message to the “victims” and qualifies as a poetic rant against the abuse industry (perhaps Victimocracy is even a better term). I am delighted to be able to print these here:

ALMOST AS LONELY AS GOD
You have your own visions
and must make decisions
And travel a path never trod
It won't be a short way
but it'll be your way
And you'll run a lot less than you plod
And your heart will reveal
that sometimes you feel
Almost as lonely as God
You'll be kept waiting
it will be frustrating
And nobody will applaud
You try to be true
to what's really you
And maybe you're a little bit odd
But part of the appeal
that makes things real
Is you're almost as lonely as God

VICTIMS
Victims must cure themselves
and no longer be
victims of the therapists
and newspeak theory
victims of the media's
cute humanity
victims of society's
pump primed morality
Victims must cure themselves
and be
masters of their lives
and petty destiny
not feed the tyranny
the revenge therapy
of the Victimocracy
persecuting the likes
if not you then me
Victims must cure themselves
and decide
I am a person
I have pride
I am a person
I have will
I can choose
to love or kill
I am a person
that person's me
I have a vision
of what to be

Anonymous said...

Robin Sharpe is excellent. He coined an incredibly useful phrase - "social deregulation". Fantastic, and that will resonate more with the miserable conservatives in charge who have married themselves to any agenda that involves deregulation.

anon69

Anonymous said...

The so-called grooming gangs is an issue that I'm still trying to get my mind around. This clip perhaps provides some kind of meaningful entree -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1i1GD3Vglo. Her channel is Demirep and her nickname is Grannyopterix.

Years ago, I listened to a clip of hers in which she had quite a dig at paedohysteria. She said that in the Gulf State no-one cares if a16-y-o girl is married to a 50-y-o man, and she says it as if this were just a part of life.
This makes her well above the standard paedohysterical knucklehead.

In the above clip, she criticizes what she sees as a lack of action by the British authorities to what appears to be horrific abuse. One may recognize paedohysteria and abuse at the same time.

Unfortunately, there does appear that there has been widespread abuse of white girls by Asian gangs The empty Parliament when the issue is discussed is another sign that it's a real thing.

Another clip on the subjecthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-09KcRHmbNc.

The MP in question, Jess Phillips, apparently had a backbone a few days ago and has now lost it-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4VJTHNxVRs .

The bloke who's made these last two videos doesn't have the same sort of intellect as Grannyopteryx, ie he can't accommodate recognizing actual rape of girls with not being swept up in the moral panic, but the facts speak for themselves.

-Anonymous 2

Eivind Berge said...

The grooming gang panic is what you get when you mix the CSA hoax with racism. It is reminiscent of a “white slavery” panic in a previous era, but notice how due to concept creep you only have to call it “grooming” these days to get something “really bad.” The racism is what supplies the “gang” part. There might be a smidgin of real abuse going on just like there is a smidgin of real abuse by the natives, and from my point of view I can’t tell if it is elevated at all by ethnicity. What I do know for sure based on the descriptions of the crimes I have heard accused or convicted is that the vast majority of it is bullshit if you apply reasonable definitions of abuse. I see the ethnic strife aspect as unfortunately another barrier to fighting for reasonable definitions of abuse, since you have to overcome not only the CSA hoax but also the White rebellion to their country being overrun with immigrants. Some of that latter feeling seems legitimate the way the UK handles migrants, but I can’t condone any of what people like Tommy Robinson are doing as long as they are suffused with antisex bigotry. He is our enemy as much as the feminists and indeed his movement functions as feminism on steroids. This is partly because sex abuse hysteria is the only politically correct way to criticize anyone who is not a white male, so political correctness amplifies itself that way and finds an outlet where all of it and more feelings they can’t speak outright are concentrated, on these mythical “grooming gangs.”

Anonymous said...

You might be interested to know that Grannyopteryx also criticized the use of the word "grooming" because it was meaningless and generally dumb.

I agree with most of Eivind's post above. I find the thoughts expressed in the last sentence to be particularly relevant yet overlooked at the same time.

However, I also believe there's a substantial amount of truth to the claims. The only way you can explain the empty parliament and the apparent reluctance by politicians to deal with this issue is that it's a real issue that throws them in a bad light. Or else it's all faked, with the empty chamber arranged and the fearful body language of MP's also faked. Even I find that hard to believe, and if I do, Eivind certainly does.

There might indeed be a smidgin of real abuse that's just part of the background noise of life, or there might be more than that. I'm inclined to believe the latter.

If the system in your native country is racist against you and you are being replaced, you have no choice but to side with your compatriots, even if they're caught up in a moral panic you aren't.

BTW and FWIW, Tom O'Carroll reckons that the so-called grooming gangs are mostly from Kashmir, so are far from representative of the Muslim community as a whole.

-Anonymous 2

Jack said...

I'd like to share an normaly I hit upon in both ChatGPT and Deepseek, hinting that both sources may be censored after all. I subimitted "Joshua David Brown was arrested in Lima for sexual abuse". Few among you will have heard of this pedophilia case but you can find it through a standard Google Search.

Now yesterday after being asked ChatGPT returned a story, then a few seconds after my starting reading, the story dissappeared and I got a message to the tune of "against our community rules". I ran the same search in Deepseek both in English and Spanish and it asserted that as of 2024 no individual with that name had been know to have been arrested.

Today I ran the Search in ChatGPT in Spanish. It returned a story but again the story vanished after a few seconds. Instead of "against our community rules" I got "ERROR WHILE SEARCHING".

At some point during its scouring of the Internet, ChatGPT hits upon something that gives it a seizure. Deepseek plays the giddy goat.

This shows AI is not necessarily our friend. The potential for centralised censorship is there all right.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/03/13/US-citizen-sentenced-in-Peru-to-27-years-over-sex-abuse-ring/7041552500281/

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-peruvian-authorities-rescue-36-sex-trafficking-victims-including-11-minors

Anonymous said...

That last link…how much of it is actually genuine?

Eivind Berge said...

Thanks for investigating the limits of ChatGPT for our purposes, Jack. I suspect what you encountered is not an anomaly but another tentacle of the antisex behemoth. “Against community rules” is at least more honest than an “error” which in turn is better than a denial that the information exists, but I expect all of these to be used. I was just reading more of Robin Sharpe’s poems and found this one which neatly sums up what is going on:

There is no market for the truth
(I wouldn't lie to you)
Truth's against the trends
and serves no useful ends
and leads to trouble too

There is no market for the truth about “sexual abuse” and the normies won’t complain that they are missing something if they are only served up the feminist party line. It takes an idealist like me to keep it real, and I remain committed to running the best sex-positive blog on the Internet. To that end, I have tightened moderation and declined several troll comments in the past few days. Henceforth I shall only publish comments which contribute positively to the value of this blog, so those who only want to engage in frivolous insults against other commenters and that sort of thing can save themselves the effort.

Original Insights (Non-MAP) said...

Were any of those comments critically constructive (like what AF typically does) or did of reek of being reminiscent to the ones found in the comment sections of your Youtube videos? Give me an example of what of one of those comments entailed because I do genuinely believe that there should be room for constructive growth, criticism, merit, even if the advice is not always one hundred percent positive.

Eivind Berge said...

Trust me, you are not missing something in the comments I exclude. I don't mean to avoid disagreement or ways to hone our arguments against the feminists and normies. Like you suggested, when there is an opportunity to make lemonade I will take it. These were just disruptive comments like calling Jack a supporter of real abuse, which is completely baseless.

Original Insights (Non-MAP) said...

Understood. I've been here long enough to know that Jack is a very pensive and intelligent thinker that wouldn't do or say something without a deep, serious reason behind it.

I don't know how he's been here, but I would like to know his philosophy. Is it different from yours? Similar? What do you and him consider "real abuse"? Rind's definition of it?

I think AF said that you (Eivind) supported a father who sodomized his son? I think? I'm out of the loop on that, but what even was that? I'm guessing you don't think that should be allowed, right? I mean, I think you (please correct me if I'm wrong) that AOC laws should go away, so I don't know what age you think "CSA" of any kind should and shouldn't be criminalized.

Look, I'm not trying ignite anything, but I would like to get the full perspective on all of this. Afterall, I've only been here for a couple of months and it is easy to misconstrue one another, especially after the "labels" you have given yourself, which have so far created disagreement amongst ourselves.

Eivind Berge said...

I am also out of the loop about the “father who sodomized his son” whom I supposedly support because we don’t know the details. What I did was criticize an “incest” verdict for being insanely draconian (far in excess of what murderers get in Norway) and where there were no details but only the buzzwords of abuse which we know are usually insanely exaggerated if not totally meaningless and almost always consensual in fact when they don't mention any force. Due to the disproportionate punishment my disagreement would have been something I stand for even if the description was appropriate and violently so, but we don’t know if it was because the article provided no details and the attack on me was simply a hysterical knee-jerk reaction by a Norwegian commenter here to something the law calls CSA and incest and possibly but not necessarily homosexuality because there was also a woman involved -- which then the AF also ran with in his usual unreliable fashion and keeps saying I support, now always repeated as my supporting a “father who sodomized his son” and leaving you to fill in your worst fantasies about that. In order to have a meaningful discussion about something we need to know what we are talking about. The level of discourse you are reacting to is no better than the normies screaming for infinite punishment because someone is labeled a sex offender and that is the ONLY piece of information they have. You know that’s not sound debate and I don’t want to engage in it unless we can supply the details needed to have a meaningful discussion.

Yes, I think you got the right idea of Jack, who is a deep thinker who says nothing without good reason, the polar opposite to the knee-jerk hysteric who started the rumor that I support incestuous sodomy, but he would need to expand it himself into a whole philosophy because I don’t know what his is.

A definition of real abuse would also require more elaboration that I can fit into this comment. I am unaware that Rind has defined it comprehensively either (to my knowledge he has been more focused on demonstrating what is NOT abuse), but if he has then perhaps a good starting point would be to quote that definition so we can react to it.

René Guyon wrote multiple volumes on sexual ethics. I think that would be the best place to look for a full philosophy I can get behind. Do please spare me any hysterical labeling due to the special magic of a certain age limit (which is nothing more than metaphysical CSA) or even what can be classified as “sodomy” because I don’t think such simplistic definitions are meaningful. But if you want a simple definition then just using a commonsense definition of consent goes a long way.

Eivind Berge said...

I believe that in the vast majority of cases, and even with the hysterical baseline of the normies now, those very normies would be unbothered if they could personally observe what they think they are condemning. Because 99% of the time it is simply the label they are reacting to, having outsourced all the work of judging how bad it is to others in an infinite regress of cultural drift of feminism and the CSA hoax and so on.

Once again I shall use Robin Sharpe’s poetry as illustration. Not only poetry but also the literary device fancily known as ekphrasis. Ekphrasis is the use of vivid language to describe or respond to a work of visual art. When you credit a poet with ekphrasis you invoke the greats like Homer and compare him to them, here because it is deserved, because his words draw blood in so many ways. Through the power of ekphrasis of CP he mocks the CSA hoax in an unparalleled way which can even let us get away with posting what is literally CP because it gets a pass for literary merit:

GOOD OLD DANISH
Let's raise a stink
let's raise a storm
here's to good old Danish
kiddieporn
collectors' items now
and quite well worn
Lars was just eleven
and Christopher was eight
but Max was over twelve
and could ejaculate
Oh life was rich
and less forlorn
with that good old Danish
of kiddieporn
collectors' items now
and quite well worn
The boys are posing coyly
looking cute and sweet
and certainly more willing
than those out on the street
Us luckless queers
oh how we mourn
those golden years
of kiddieporn
collector's items now
and quite well worn
Now Lars is over thirty
and Cristopher's overweight
and Max is into marriage
and being super straight

Isn’t that just cute? I mean if you are not a pederast then the reaction is yawn. There is nothing to see here, either good or bad, just some innocuous play and it’s cute in a non-arousing way to me and makes me laugh that the normies and their laws make such a demonic deal out of what is described here.

The case in which the Norwegian “sodomizer” discussed in previous comments got life in prison might have consisted of nothing worse than taking some pictures like that. When you can personally observe it -- if not in person or out of any interest in the material they produced then by ekphrasis in a poem we admire on poetic merit alone -- the CSA hoax melts away and you realize how innocuous it all is.

That assumption, that something like this is most likely whenever someone is accused of what is now considered heinous abuse -- is what I use as the default until we actually know the details. So spare me the knee-jerk hysteria in here, please.

Jack said...

Once we remove sex exceptionalism, defining real abuse should be easy. Note that children (real ones, not teenagers) more often endure violence of the non sexual kind, but this is a taboo in Society.

Eivind Berge said...

My next blog post is ready:

https://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2025/04/norway-gets-statutory-rape-for-all-ages.html

Another horrifying and oh so predictable exacerbation of sex laws in Norway.

The proposal to lower the age of consent to 15 amounted to nothing and instead we get much worse laws.