Friday, May 02, 2025

Samtykkeloven — en tjeneste for menn og bjørnetjeneste for kvinner

Da voldtekt var definert i form av vold, truende atferd, eller å være ute av stand motsette seg handlingen, var ikke et «ja» noe spesielt vektig argument for at det IKKE var voldtekt. Og hvorfor skulle det være det? Sunn fornuft tilsier at det er like enkelt å presse en kvinne til å si «ja» som til å ha sex. Det er ingenting magisk med et «ja» i det hele tatt. Men nå blir det det! Samtykkeloven påbyr et ritual som gir mannen falsk trygghet i henhold til om det foreligger faktisk samtykke, men like fullt noe å slå i bordet med i retten siden vi nå innfører en ritualistisk juridisk magi ved et «samtykke i ord eller handling.» Denne magien er høyst ubegrunnet, men kan bli nyttig, noen ganger også for kvinner men i min oppfatning spesielt for menn.

Samtidig blir stigmaet fjernet. Voldtekt blir redusert til en formalitet. Det spiller liten rolle om det er sant i hans tilfelle, men enhver voldtektsdømt kan i fremtiden unnskylde seg sosialt med at han bare glemte å be om samtykke og hele forbrytelsen var en teknikalitet. Mange saker som tidligere ble straffeforfulgt under den gamle, mer faktisk straffverdige definisjonen vil sikkert også nedgraderes av rent praktiske grunner fordi det er lettere å dømme etter en teknikalitet. Det blir moralsk sett på linje med en parkeringsbot, hvor man til og med har betalt, men bare glemte å skaffe seg et oblat til å bevise det. Slik blir lovendringen en tjeneste for menn og bjørnetjeneste for kvinner.

Universell kriminalisering bidrar også på samme måten. Alle menn blir obligate voldtektsmenn siden det i praksis er bortimot umulig å leve opp til lovens bokstav hele livet. Således blir voldtekt trivialisert og normalisert. Jeg har lenge vært akutt klar over at jeg er obligat om ikke voldtektsmann så i alle fall seksualforbryter. Det var nettopp dette som radikaliserte meg til mannsaktivist for flere tiår siden, og da sexjøpsloven kom i 2008 ble det klinkende klart at jeg ikke kunne ha et meningsfullt liv uten å være seksualforbryter. Jeg innså at det er politiets jobb å ødelegge livet mitt, og om de klarer det er bare et spørsmål om ressurser eller flaks. Aktivismen min ble deretter, og jeg ble også litt berømt da purkejævelen prøvde og spektakulært feilet å ta meg for voldelig oppviglende aktivisme i 2012. Men til min frustrasjon ble andre menn ikke radikalisert av noen av lovendringene så langt. Det kan til en viss grad endre seg nå som de også blir klar over at loven kategorisk definerer dem som voldtektsmenn og det er umulig å ha et meningsfullt liv uten å bryte loven mange ganger. Slik kan det totale hat-trykket mot menn bli lettet fordi vi blir mer solidariske mot både lov og politi. Før måtte man være litt filosofisk anlagt for å se noe galt med sedelighetslovene, og enda mer spesiell for å hate politiet slik jeg gjør, men nå vil det bli tydelig for enhver idiot at politiet er mot oss alle og en seksualforbryter ikke er en «annen» som vi ikke trenger å bry oss om, men hver og en av oss!

For undertrykking av menn kan ikke bare måles i fengeselspopulasjon. Atmosfæren ellers teller også, og i hvilken grad vi setter oss til motverge og har grobunn for en mannsbevegelse. Hvis man utelukkende måler år i fengsel for gjennomsnittsmannen, eller antall menn dømt, kan det hende samtykkeloven blir en feministisk suksess. Jeg velger likevel å se på helheten og legge mer vekt på disse andre tingene. Jeg har stått alene i mitt hat mot feministstaten alle disse årene, men nå kan det kanskje endelig endres når menn skjønner at vi er voldtektsmenn alle mann, og således blir mer solidariske mot feministstaten.

Vi som har litt erfaring fra den virkelige verden vet at ekte samtykke ikke er et ritual. Det pleide riktignok å være et ritual i form av ekteskap, men det var den gang ekte voldtekt i ekteskapet var unntatt fra straff. Nå er vi på vei tilbake til noe av det samme, til menns fordel på samme måten fordi vi kan unnskylde oss med at vi var pliktoppfyllende i henhold til ritualet selv om vi brydde oss fint lite om kvinnen faktisk samtykket.

Nå som vi må gå gjennom et ritual for å gjøre mannen straffri, så må jo det ritualet telle for noe! Og det kan ikke være annet enn en forpliktelse for kvinnen. Kvinnen har for første gang siden den gamle definisjonen på ekteskapet hvor hun lovlig kunne tvinges fått en PLIKT til å ha sex. En svak plikt som hun i prinsippet kan trekke tilbake, men like fullt en plikt. Det er rart å tenke på at radikalfeminismen førte med seg noe så bisart uharmonisk med kvinners rettigheter slik det startet ut i de første bølgene av feminisme, men her er vi altså. Feminismen har «jumped the shark.» Jaget etter å straffe flere og flere angivelige overgripere har møtt veggen av minskende profittrate og vel så det, i alle fall konseptuelt. Det gjenstår jo å se hvordan det slår ut i praksis. Det kan hende kvinner gir blaffen i slike betraktninger og bare ønsker velkommen muligheten til å straffe mer og mer slik som staten skal ha det til at de alltid ønsker. Som mannsaktivist er jeg derimot svært opptatt av det filosofiske, og derfor støtter jeg samtykkeloven, altså sett i forhold til et allerede sinnssykt voldtektsbegrep som jeg har brukt 25 år på å motarbeide siden den virkelig betydelige voldtektsreformen i år 2000, fordi denne reformen i 2025 endelig fremstår som en bjørnetjeneste for kvinner og tjeneste for menn. Alle de andre feministreformene i nyere tid har bare vært diabolsk hatefulle mot menn både i teori og praksis, men nå ser jeg faktisk et likte tilbakeslag for feminismen i alle fall i teorien.

Ekte samtykke kan ikke reduseres til et ritual. Det er bare noe loven skal late som, og det blir som sagt en bjørnetjeneste for kvinner og tjeneste for menn. Straffeloven reduseres til noe latterlig som vi kan fnyse av. Derfor er jeg FOR samtykkeloven. Mest av alt fordi trivialiseringen av seksualforbrytelser har gått så langt uten at normiene innså at noe var galt, men nå blir det ettertrykkelig klart at «voldtekt» simpelthen er statens syn på seksualitet. Det blir nulltoleranse for seksualitet. Voldtekt er det nye leiermål, altså bare statens syn på seksualitet, nemlig at det er synd og skam eller nå «overgrep» i den moderniserte terminologien, men like innholdsløst. Det er statens undertrykking av folket, ikke menns vold mot kvinner som gjenspeiles i straffene. Jeg som har viet livet til å preke at de fleste seksualforbrytelser er uten innhold og bare statens syn på seksualitet, kunne knapt ønsket meg bedre markedsføring.

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

The problem is emanating from the USA South, the "Conservatives" are far more feminist than the "Liberals" in the USA, the "Conservatives" are obsessed with feminine child worship to the point of enforcing absolutely insane female tyranny, and also forming NGO's to export their insanity to the rest of the world such as Norway as best they can. You have to be crazy to even think about visiting the USA once:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14615469/georgia-mom-walmart-child-abduction-story-shocking-new-video.html

anon69

Eivind Berge said...

Yeah, and no matter how bad it gets, we are only a few hundred people worldwide who care to oppose antisexual legislation.

95% of them are MAPs.

Maybe a handful MRAs can hang out at the Antifeminist’s blog.

In Norway maybe up to five people oppose the feminist laws and most of them already read my blog.

Unless I am surprised by an influx of Norwegian readers now I must conclude I can’t reach more Norwegians by writing in Norwegian either, because more people receptive to my ideas don’t exist.

Opposing the sex laws is so unpopular or uninteresting to the normies that if men who already have a huge audience, say someone like Russell Brand or Andrew Tate, started talking about the sex laws their audience would dwindle down to my level. And despite both men having highly personal reasons to care about the sex laws…

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/02/entertainment/russell-brand-court-sexual-assault-charges-intl

They don't actually care that much. Such men only care enough to defend themselves (which they leave to their lawyers anyway) and never enough to attack the law on principle. Which if they did would meet the same apathy that I get anyway. The problem is with the audience rather than the messenger; a better messenger can’t fix it.

The sad fact is there is no resistance in sight no matter how bad it gets.

Jack said...

I guess you're testing your Norwegian audience with an article fully in Norwegian. Not much resonance. Maybe after each article in English, you could include an abstract in Norwegian, just for AI search engines to have something in Norwegian to chew on.

Anonymous said...

Eivind, what do you think of this study? https://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/efficacy/efficacy_4.htm

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, not just an experiment but strategically timed at one of the most decisive moments in the history of sexual legislation, when Norwegian politicians are getting ready to vote on criminalizing literally 100% of sexuality as “rape” by default and instituting an extra ritual of explicit consent one has to go through to make it legal.

You would think the people would be interested in debating this? I am trying to be part of that debate.

Except there is no debate. I tried to promote this post on Facebook and got zero response. Politicians might as well be tweaking some arcane detail of the corporate tax code as making all our sexuality illegal because people care no more and have no more interest in debating it. There are no angry voices from men, or gleeful voices from feminists for that matter. It just does not interest the normies and they have zero interest in what ANYBODY writes about it.

To think back on the early days of the MRA movement lead by Angry Harry… How foolish we were! We were so naïve back then that we thought feminism could make men angry. I failed to anticipate that that feminists could go ALL THE WAY and make all of sexuality illegal and NOBODY would be angry. Honestly, If I had known that men’s rights activism is THAT hopeless, I probably wouldn’t have bothered.

Eivind Berge said...

Key quote:

The Commission cannot conclude that exposure to erotic materials is a factor in the causation of sex crimes or sex delinquency. On the other hand, the report noted there was some empirical support for the idea that pornography may actually have the benefit of reducing contact offenses by providing a cathartic outlet. As a result of these findings, the 1970 Commission recommended that pornography laws be rescinded.

Well, duh, this is obviously true and why I am against pornography and fapping. And much more true now with digital and even AI porn than in 1970. Pornography is bad because it drains your libido and inhibits real sex.

It is astonishing to me that this is even controversial. Suppose I made the claim that “there is some evidence that people who consume more junkfood eat less healthy food.” Would anyone doubt this? Wouldn’t it be weird to have a cultural belief that this cannot possibly be true? Where I’m seen as a weirdo for claiming that I am less interested in eating a salad after finishing a bag of chips with 1000 calories from seed oils? And that even if I do eat the salad, I would enjoy it less and it would be less good for me?

This is because the symbolic level of porn obfuscates the issue and prevents people from thinking straight. A bag of chips or liter of Coca Cola does not have tremendous symbolic significance; they are just junkfood. But with porn, the symbolic level overwhelms all pragmatic considerations.

I don’t care about the symbolic level of porn. I don’t share the idiotic normie belief that some porn is worse than other porn because it symbolizes something illegal or taboo -- that’s no more significant to what is really going on than the logo on your Coke bottle, a senseless irrelevant distraction. I only care what porn does, and what it does is make us want and have and enjoy sex less. That’s why I’m a nofapper and promote the nofap/noporn lifestyle. Not because of the symbolism in porn at all, which is all illusion anyway; only because of what it does to your sex life.

The words “benefit” and “cathartic” in the above quote annoy me, as does the view of “contact offenses” as offenses. That’s not how I would put it because I am sex-positive and the Commission consisted of antisex bigots, but I agree with the facts found.

Anonymous said...

My comment is too big, so I'm going to respond to the post itself in two parts

Anonymous said...

Part I:

I get whole the "porn" thing going on and your staunch opinion against in, but I'm glad at the idea that CP offenders becoming future child molesters is not true, because so much of the rationale behind Draconian CP laws is the idea that those who look at pictures and videos will go on to copy what they see, despite the fact "contact offenders" can get a lesser sentences compared than CP offenders. Though, the idea that intrigues me the most is that there is supposed evidence that "child molesters" or "contact offenders" are less well adjusted for community controls and more likely to exhibit some sociopathic or antisocial behavioral traits. Although, this shouldn't imply or generalize the fact that nearly all contact offenders are one big homogenous group, it makes you wonder if they are really as bad as society thinks they are. Now, I'm not the kind of person who wants to scream instant death for "sexual abusers" or "predators", because I want to understand and see the humanity in others, but does that really define what a "contact offender" is? I am aware of the difference between pro and anti-contact groups, though most people who engage in "sexual acts" with "children" aren't actually pedophiles, despite the frequent association and inflation between the two terms.

These are the symptoms that the study lists: In a study comparing a group of convicted internet child pornography offenders with convicted child molesters, researchers found that child molesters were significantly more likely (six times) to have committed prior sexual offenses against children prior to the offense of conviction. Notably, the child molester group had no prior child pornography convictions. The same study showed differences from child pornography offenders where the child molester group held more assaultive attitudes, experienced higher levels of psychopathy, were far more likely to recidivate, and were more likely to otherwise engage in sexually risky behavior. Other researchers also comparing groups found that child molesters tested at greater levels of over-assertiveness and cognitive distortions as to whether children enjoy sexual contact and are not harmed by it.

There's also this quote from a Fred Berlin study, a notable sexologist who studies and treats sex offenders:

Berlin, F. S. (2000). "Treatments to change sexual orientation," The American Journal of Psychiatry, 157, 5.

Pedophilic child molesters scored significantly lower (350.72) on a Psychopathic Symptom Inventory than both non-pedophilic child molesters (382.91) and community controls (372.33).

Anonymous said...

(Part II):

Now, this doesn't mean that all contact offenders pertain to these characteristics, but I'm curious as to whether or not these supposed traits of a "child molester" or "contact offender" should be seen based on the age of minor, situation, and whatnot. Notice how I put a lot of words in "quotations". Remember, anyone can be charged with child molestation: Men, women, adolescents, and even children are capable of being charged for this type of crime, regardless of the latter being infantilized. Heck, how many people do you think end up becoming child molesters after succumbing to their intrusive thoughts? So, a "contact offender" can be anyone from a kid playing doctor with another kid, to an adult walking up to a child and fondling him or her, to a minor adolescent and an adult making out, with hands somehow ending up near the genital area, to a teen giving another a teen a handjob, etc. It doesn't really define what exactly a "contact offender" is, situationally, so it really paints this awkward picture of are this or that or can they be this or that. Think of how many people can qualify for antisocial personality disorder based on their criminal history. Take a look at the symptoms too. What does it mean by "over assertiveness" and "cognitive distortions". Technically, wouldn't the first term imply that a supposed "power dynamic" makes it "assertive" overall, based on the social roles of the "initiator" in adult-child interaction? I think I'm nitpicking the methodology here, but the second term "cognitive distortions" based on "as to whether children enjoy sexual contact and are not harmed by it" seems kinda flimsy. Wouldn't someone trying to justify, explain, or "downplay" their crime be considered a "cognitive distortion"? I'm kinda concerned that if these are too general, then it might over simplify "contact offenders" as prolific and dangerous. That is not true. Although some sub groups of sex offenders have slightly higher or lower rates of reoffending amongst each other, they generally have very, very low rates of recidivism, so most are not dangerous at all. Many are not career criminals and are caught the first time. Personally, I don't think every criminal (especially the delinquent, first-time, non-violent, pettier offenders needs rehabilitation because I feel like the problems lie within our society, and so people commit crime out of opportunity, desperation, or triviality of not getting caught. Not everyone has a mental disorder either. Even those with some are capable of being functional members of society. People also age out of crime, so rates of recidivism usually come to a halt once someone reaches middle age. Though, I don't feel like rehabilitation is always necessarily (especially for sex offenders where "rehabilitation" is often cruel, like what I read about the penile plethysmograph), I would rather have this and restorative justice any day than the lengthy, scrupulous, draconian sentences and punishment-driven ideology here in the U.S. Here, I'm going to throw you a bone with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT1PI5VoP54
I really like how Levine says that no rehabilitation also works too.

Honestly, do you understand what I'm getting at here? Do you see how this all ties into the idea that not all child molesters are inherently, homogeneously, evil? Thoughts, Eivind?

Eivind Berge said...

Lol, yeah, this is the understatement of the year:

I think I'm nitpicking the methodology here, but the second term "cognitive distortions" based on "as to whether children enjoy sexual contact and are not harmed by it" seems kinda flimsy.

If you change “flimsy” to “delusional” we might be getting somewhere in terms of what these “researchers” are on about. They start with the dogmatic belief that children cannot enjoy sexual contact plus they are always harmed by it and then redefine reality accordingly, including calling any opinion or observation to the contrary a “cognitive distortion.” Who is really distorting reality here should be obvious.

I also object to the phrase “succumbing to their intrusive thoughts.” To me, sex-positive thoughts are not intrusive at all but rather my identity and who I am. I am egosyntonic and assume many other “contact offenders” are too. And “contact offense” only means one does not waste time wanking or on pornography but goes for real sex. Including with adult women, obviously, since statutory rape applies to them too with this latest Norwegian legal reform. Unless you are a wanker or incel you are an obligate contact offender, so the term is just a joke, as “offense” usually is in this whole moral panic with its odious legal framework.

Eivind Berge said...

I'm glad at the idea that CP offenders becoming future child molesters is not true, because so much of the rationale behind Draconian CP laws is the idea that those who look at pictures and videos will go on to copy what they see.

Yeah, not only is that not true but it has always been and is becoming increasingly more literally true that it works the other way around: CP copies what is in the “child molester’s” mind to begin with. For example, by using an AI to visualize it (which detracts from the time and energy they could have devoted to contact offenses). Causation does not flow from CP to contact offense; LMAO, the legal system got it hilariously wrong, but that’s the intelligence of a moral panic for you.

Eivind Berge said...

I marvel that I am the beyond the epitome of evil as defined by the antisex moral panic and those comical researchers we just saw demonstrating their applied version of the panic.

When they speak of “cognitive distortions” and “intrusive thoughts” they assume there is an alternative person inside the sex offender who is not fully distorted or intruded upon by evil as they define it.

But that’s not the case with an egosyntonic contact offender like myself. You will have to kill me to end the “distortions” and “intrusions.” I cannot be “treated,” “rehabilitated,” and not “age out” of my offending either, thank you very much.

Those who engage in real (violent) crime tend to age out very quickly, sure. But not when you redefine all of sexuality to criminality.

Forget about such outdated concepts as “aging out.” We have universal sexual criminality now. It applies to not just all pedophiles but all men and quite possibly all women too.

Eivind Berge said...

I also cannot not recidivate. It is laughable to speak of recidivating into fake crime. When the crime is just being human and having a sexuality, it is time to stop accommodating the antisex bigots by speaking their jargon which implies there is validity to their moral panic and hateful Draconian laws.

I have been acutely aware of it for decades and this new rape law reform in Norway should fully underscore even to the normies that is impossible to have a meaningful life without being a sex offender.

If you are imprisoned and ever released then you are still human, and therefore still a sex offender. I know this lends some perverse legitimacy to the trend of actually imposing the death penalty, but I fully affirm that in truth there is no cure but death against what they claim to fight.

Humanity has become allergic to itself, so so be it: I shall never denounce my humanity regardless of the cost, because life would not be worth living the way the antisex bigots intend it for us.

Eivind Berge said...

Another funny sentence from that IPCE page:

"A study of male undergraduates found that ninety-five percent of them had at least one deviant sexual fantasy. "

Which would indicate that is truly deviant not to be "deviant," lol.

Humanity can't tolerate itself, so we have to explain away not just all variation but all of sexuality as rape, abuse and pedophilia and pretend it is not normal.

Eivind Berge said...

Here is the schedule for how this is proposal is to become law:

https://www.stortinget.no/no/Saker-og-publikasjoner/Saker/Sak/?p=103135

Foreløpig dato behandling i Stortinget: 05.06.2025.

So we have a little over one month now to create a men's movement to affect the course of this legislation, but of course that won't happen. If Norwegian men haven't cared about any piece of legislation criminalizing our sexuality before they won't care about this either, at least not until it starts affecting them.

And as I explain in my blog post above, rape law is already so fucked up this is actually an improvement. If we can't go back to the definition of rape we had until the year 2000 I prefer the consent law in the accelerationist spirit of maybe waking some men up to how hated we are. See this blog post of mine to read the law the last time it resembled a sane definition of rape:

https://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2013/02/another-round-of-feminist-rape-law.html

Anonymous said...

There shouldn't be anything called "treating sex offenders" - sex offenders are people who have violated some random law. The task of psychologists and psychiatrists is solely to safeguard people's mental health (of both adults and children), not to be policemen. You cannot serve two masters.

Anonymous said...

I have a question for Eivind: How widely publicized is this upcoming attempt to change Norwegian rape law? You say men don't care, maybe you are right. But has there been ANY major newspaper or news source in your country pushing against it or at least debating it? How often have they mentioned the proposed change? More than once? Once? Not at all? I know that no paper in my state of MD covers all the changes and new laws that are proposed each year here in Maryland. If you search the website for sex laws you often have to sort through dozens of pieces of proposed legislation many of them, on the surface, about the same alleged problem. These days when it comes to most sex laws or laws on crime in general, it's hard to find even so much as a single elected figure who will object whether on Constitutional or other grounds. 90 percent of the legislation is never ever covered, even once by our main news sources and, with exceptions, the other ten percent is usually confined one single article, which may or may not have a voice or two in dissent. Then most papers either endorse every single bill, at least if submistted by a democrat, or stay silent. AFTER the laws have passed, there's usually an article or two on the "new laws" (or a news segment on tv or the internet facing websites of these organizations) and that's it.
At least around where I live ) it's hardly surprising that pretty much anything the political class wants to pass, they can pass.

Clarence

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, Clarence, though your general point is also somewhat applicable to legislation in Norway I'd say this particular proposal has been well-publicized.

For example, here's an article from the national broadcaster:

https://www.nrk.no/ostfold/justisministeren-legger-fram-forslag-til-ny-samtykkelov-1.17378242

It actually includes some pushback, but not from men in general. Just from the Lawyers’ Association.

Advokat Mette Yvonne Larsen stiller seg kritisk, og beskriver lovforslaget som et «aktivistforslag»:

– Det er jobbet fram av aktivisme. Det er veldig sjeldent heldig at straffebud tar form på grunn av en slik aktivisme som vi har sett over flere år. Larsen stiller seg undrende til hvordan man skal klare å retteføre dette.

– Det betyr jo at det vil være straffbart om noen prøve seg på noe som helst, enten i ekteskap eller i andre forhold der man ikke har spurt om ja først.

– Advokatforeningen er veldig bekymret for dette her, og det tror jeg mange av de politiske partiene også er, så vi håper dette ikke får flertall.


Women seem to publicly oppose it more than men and I have yet to see any man besides myself speak out against it.

Here’s another woman, Karima Furuseth, who is critical and though I can’t read her article due to paywall, judging from the title she makes the same point I did in my blog post that the new law can be used against women since they get a sort of contractual duty to have sex when they say “yes” under the new regime:

https://www.morgenbladet.no/ideer/kommentar/2025/04/24/samtykkeloven-apner-opp-for-at-ja-et-brukes-som-et-middel-mot-kvinner/

Indeed it is literally a sex consent contract we are introducing, though it can take other forms than a document with signature. The feminists really haven’t thought this through and seeing this opposition I am currently not entirely sure it will pass, even without any more opposition from men. Which is why I have taken to supporting it rhetorically because it is actually the current law I am opposing and this new proposal looks increasingly like a clown show that will amount to nothing because it is so over-the-top absurd. The current law which was passed in 2000 is already profoundly unjust and where the serious hatred against men lies.

Anonymous said...

If you want to seriously oppose this law the first step is to write to your member of parliament and outline clearly but in diplomatic language what is wrong with the law and how it's going to harm men who haven't done anything wrong etc. I think AI is probably quite good for lobbying. You can use it to refine your writing to make it more politically correct but whilst retaining the main essence of your opposition. I don't know how the Norwegian legislative chambers work, maybe you can lobby other representives at certain stages and they'll be receptive too. After the initial lobbying if you want publicity maybe it's seeing if a local paper will write a story about you, a lone nutter fighting the sex laws :) Creating a petition on petition websites could be good too. The UK parliament for instance provide a way to make petitions so maybe they do in Norway too, or there's change.org of course which can be used in any country. (H21)

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 3/5/2025, 11:09:34PM-Your suggestions might sound naive given all the hysteria, misandry and general lack of interest, but why not?
After all, how many politicians have even received letters against affirmative consent, let alone any with a truly controversial view about lowering or not raising the age of consent?

-Anonymous 2

Jack said...

"The new law can be used against women since they get a sort of contractual duty to have sex when they say “yes” under the new regime". Do you think so? I think what women object to is the "yes" precluding a later rape acusation. What women want is the "yes" to be nullifiable any time and to have no value except to give men a false sense of safety.

Eivind Berge said...

Some women are smart enough to see a dilemma in demanding a contract and then expecting that it counts for nothing for them. If “yes means yes” then that comes with some kind of obligation and obligations are by definition not always pleasant, so damn, there was something wrong with the logic. They didn’t really mean that yes means yes.

What will the next slogan be, then, when they figure out this didn’t work out so well for them? How do you demand an unenforceable contract? I guess they have to make it explicit that “regret is rape.”

But that’s how current law was often enforced anyway. Since we removed the requirement of meaningful violence 25 years ago token resistance or just being “too drunk” has sufficed for convictions. The “Yes Means Yes” law actually threatens to screw up a good thing for women, and their activists didn’t realize how good women have it, how much unreasonable power women already have to cry rape based on any situation.

This is why I am not so worried about affirmative consent. It rather seems to introduce some balance since men get a contract (if they make sure to go through the ritual of asking for yes) that can perhaps exonerate them in many situations that could be rape under the old law.

I am more worried that the “no means no” part of this proposal will pass without the “yes means yes” to balance it. Then they don’t even need to put up token resistance, and an already profoundly unjust situation will get worse for men.

Anonymous said...

They will just say the "yes" was obtained under coercion, like they do now. "Yes means yes" law just means "she didn't object to sex" is removed as a defense for men, obviously.

anon69

Eivind Berge said...

That's all true, anon69. But it is better to be honest about how rape law really works. Men haven't had much of a defense against rape accusations for decades already. Better then to spell out how defenseless we are. Make us all feel like sex offenders all the time and maybe one day the majority of men will side with sex offenders and revolt against the feminist state.

Eivind Berge said...

If you don’t feel like a sex offender, you don’t understand the sex laws. That’s the “mistake” I made early on which made me a subjective enemy of the state and not just a sleepwalking one like the normies – I read and understood the sex laws and how they are constantly made worse. The normies engage in a remarkable doublethink where they imagine the law does not apply to them. Much like they can hate pedophiles by a definition which applies to themselves they also think rape can be infinitely expanded and still only apply to someone else. The normie mindset is based on a combination of ignorance of the law and the ability to not think about it with regard to themselves until they are accused. I can imagine myself living like a normie if I had gone down that path. You can be just like a persecuted minority and overlook all that persecution as long as you overlook the fact that you are just like them except you didn’t happen to get accused or convicted yet. This is part of a deeper human tendency to tolerate inequality and justify it to ourselves by thinking that we are somehow better than all the poor and homeless even though we are just like them in so many cases. They just had the misfortune to be born in the wrong country or social class or had some other accident that could just as well happen to us. The big inequality with regard to sex law is not what you do but whether you happen to get caught or accused. Something like 99.999% of sex crimes are never prosecuted anyway, so in the big picture it is easy to get away with and activists like me and Tom O’Carroll and Amos Yee and Angry Harry and the Antifeminist and so on scarcely spend more time in prison than the average man between us – we are merely much, much more idealistic and keenly aware of the injustice of the sex laws.

Eivind Berge said...

Another paedocrite bites the dust:
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/05/02/bellingcat-operative-dies-conviction/

A prominent former Bellingcat reporter committed suicide after being convicted for sexually abusing his daughter in March 2022, according to a new report by independent Dutch journalist Eric Van De Beek. Operating behind the pseudonym “Daniel Romein,” the researcher featured prominently in a number of investigations by the Western government-funded ‘open source’ outfit, Bellingcat, including a years-long probe of online child sexual exploitation materials.

He spent years “investigating” child pornography for the “good“ side, lol. Do any of those not have an ulterior motive?

In 2020, a yearly Bellingcat report on its CSAM investigations revealed that four of its researchers — including Romein, who was praised for his “Fantastic research and eye for detail and precision” — collectively spent a whopping 2500 hours on the project, viewing a combined four million images in the process.

So there’s your Western-government-funded abuse industry hard at work wanking. I’ll give him credit for not being a TOTAL wanker though since he was convicted for contact offense with daughter.