Saturday, May 05, 2018

How to not be incel

If you are incel and want to know how to change that, this post is for you. I mean actually changing it, not making a political statement like Elliot Rodger. He may be the patron saint of incels, but that doesn't mean you want to end up like him. Even if you could influence politics and not be dead from the process, it would have a modest effect on your individual life. As important as politics is, you should also do the best you can within the constraints you find yourself in. The latter effort probably accounts for something like 80% of your outcome, so unless you are particularly altruistically inclined it should be your first concern.

I spent my entire teenage years incel, as well as some shorter periods later. Looking back, it feels absurd that so much sexual vitality could be wasted. Indeed that should be impossible, and I think it is. I now subscribe to the explanation that I wasn't so virile after all. Society is sex-hostile and the system is rigged against men, but unless you are literally confined away from women, there is still no excuse for not having sex as a healthy teenager and young man.

If you aren't having sex by at the very latest 16 or so, you simply aren't healthy. It is pathological to go so long without doing something constructive about the sex drive a boy is supposed to be equipped with. I was a sick teenage boy, though I didn't know it at the time and no one else around me did either. Only with the benefit of hindsight do I know that the incel-enabling pathology was masturbation.

I had all the qualities needed to get sex except I didn't know that masturbation was harmful. Because of one big lie I had been told, I didn't know how to fix it. Society tells you that masturbation is harmless because they are both clueless and uninterested in helping you have sex. If anything, they consider a sexless adolescence a good thing, so if they knew the truth about masturbation, they would conspire to hide it!

There are three components to sexual behavior: attraction, motivation and performance. Masturbation is harmful to males because it degrades all of them! Incels wouldn't know about the performance problems, and there is always some attraction left (however it may be corrupted into thinking fat women are unattractive, for example, and sometimes weird paraphilias appear such as an interest in anal sex), but their feckless behavior is clear proof of a major motivational deficiency.

Your brain is a general-purpose sex-getting machine, and assuming you have a healthy masculine brain it will figure out how to get it given enough motivation, or at least how to die trying rather than waste away in inceldom. All you need to do is let it do its work. Let your natural instincts kick in and the rest will usually follow. Worrying about politics or pickup tactics before you have fixed your motivation is putting the cart before the horse. Your first priority should be your motivation, and the good news is that your libido might still be salvaged, or at least some remnants of it depending on your age.

Even with an intact libido, is entirely possible that a good strategy involves violence. Historically and prehistorically this has often been the case, which helps explain why there has been so much of it. We are now living at unique time where very little violence is needed, however, and you should take advantage of that first and foremost. So cast aside the ER fantasies for now. At the very least, you should be able to get paid sex, an option he didn't go for because something was wrong with his libido.

All you need is one simple rule: "The vagina is the only outlet." This should be your creed and your mantra and your way of life. It maximizes all good things, assuming you share my values. This is the value system of male sexualism, and though I don't seek to impose it on anybody, I tend to think it will make most men the happiest. I think so because it basically consists of thinking with your genes, which is to say thinking with your dick rather than the surrogates and degenerate ideas society throws at you, and biology has arranged spectacular rewards for doing just that.

So follow the advice given at Your Brain On Porn (and see the evidence for it there if you don't believe me), which is no porn or masturbation. If it doesn't work, come back and ask about the finer points of picking up women. I have never heard of a committed nofapper who is an incel, however. If all men gave up porn and masturbation, we would be back to the kind of cutthroat competition seen in prehistoric times, but for now so many men are wankers that it is ridiculously simple to give yourself an almost unfair advantage just by not being like them.

As far as I'm concerned, nofap is the self-help counterpart to male sexualism. Our politics can't do you much good you if you don't have a sexuality to protect anyway. To help you understand that masturbating to porn is as good as asexuality, watch this video of male jewel beetles similarly letting a glass surface hijack their sexuality. Since all humans are to some extent fooled by porn, it helps to see this kind of behavior from the point of view of another species to realize how pointless and maladaptive it is. The incel is his own worst enemy if he does it.

I realize that it also depends on your comorbidities. If you have other issues such as autism or anxiety or depression, this isn't necessarily a panacea, but it should go a long way. I strongly believe that an incel without comorbidities, such as I was (well, aside from hyperpolitical disorder), will be almost universally cured by nofap. Just imagine what kind of sex life you could have had if you did it right, and it becomes painfully obvious. I am convinced I would have slept with a hundred additional women and had lots of descendants now if I had read this post at age 12, or better yet had it instilled in me from infancy that masturbation is harmful and sex is good. No doubt there are many incels who have it in them to be a stud if it wasn't for this unfortunate maladaption. Now is the time to get in touch with your inner stud or lose it forever, dear incels.


Anonymous said...

I can't have sex with people over 18. Sex with anyone over 18 is rape. It's rape because it's "mandatory", it's sexual abuse to force someone to have sex, right? so is having him over a certain age. I can't morally, it's inconceivable in my mind. And I can't understand why others would either. " Sex between adults" is a code for rape. It is what most conditions my life, I can assure you that everything is different if you see it that way. My only ideology is exclusive sex with minors. I want to remove my "inceldom" but it must be with that condition if I do not prefer death to being morally raped.

That sex is legal and free as long as it is between "adults" (18 and over, so therefore not with under 18) is an aberration, I will never be able to do it, it is immoral, it is stupid, it is so easy to get (paying for it or to a lesser degree, using a dating application, that both are illegal with persons under 18) that it seems to me like lowlife scum, of proletarians, I am an aristocrat, a supreme lord (not a supreme gentelman), that's why sex paying money is worth nothing, it's like masturbating, prostitution is trash like pornography (another under 18 no-no), sex only has value when it's done for love.

You have to help us get laid with under-18s ONLY.

caamib said...

I hope the post above is just a troll...

In any case, thank for saying what I've also been pointing out for years. Masturbation is extremely harmful and dangerous, and I'd venture to say it is more harmful than drugs like heroin, since most people don't use these but many young men engage in masturbation. Masturbation brings short term pleasure but long term sloth, lack of motivation, lack of penile sensitivity and various other problems. It is a synonym for a disaster when it comes to incels.

It is up to every sane man to decide that from this day on he will only ejaculate in a vagina. Believe me, even the legal risk this might occur is more than worth it since the alternative is just a pure disaster.

I wish we could get more men aware of just how harmful masturbation is. When I first had sex after over a decade of it I could barely feel a vagina. When I stopped having sex from mid 2013 to late 2014 I just reversed to more of the same. Were I to ever raise a son I'd make sure he is weened off from masturbation from around the age of 12.

Eivind Berge said...

Yes. How could I forget that?! LOL! That's a fourth component to sexual behavior, that masturbation also degrades: pleasure. Arguably the most important one.

Anonymous said...

You talk about vaginas.. but for me vaginas disgust me. I can't have vaginal (or anal, which is worse) sex. That's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life. Not because I've seen it in porn alone, but in real life, when a girl showed it to me I almost fainted, that's why I'm a "vagina virgin". If I wanted to have kids I'd have to artificially inseminate the girl, seriously, guys, I hate vaginas.. Who can I can do if I hate vaginas, I can have a girlfriend even if I hate vaginal sex? Who I can have satisfactory sex without vaginal? All help is wellcome guys

Eivind Berge said...

So you like girls, but you don't like vaginas? That is seriously messed up, yes. Not sure how to deal with that but the best I can think of is exposure therapy. Get exposed to them gradually and see if you might like vaginas after all.

Are you sure you are straight? Or perhaps you are the same troll as above?

Anonymous said...

For this riffraff, women are just "objects" reduced to sperm canisters. But what can be expected of these mentally ill people? Take a look around: It is the human garbage so-called "caamib", which says that all women must be raped and killed if they do not consider themselves to be the cattle of men.

Stop spreading your Homo neanderthalensis corrupt DNA. Do the world a favor and jump off a bridge.

Child sexual slavers advocates like Tom Grauer.. (advocate rape 8 years old little girls... sick being.. you deserve castration and forced to eating your penis...) Wife beaters and rape advocates like caamib. You are the scum of the earth. You guys are sick. The only way to stop you kind is with a bullet.

The world will not go back to the past, no one will ever own anyone, no woman will ever be owned by a man, no child would suffer being a sexual slave, you pro-slavery and reactionary coward pieces of shit. Rapists deserves rape. Go to hell.

Eivind Berge said...

All right, somebody posted a song but I think one line will suffice, so I am going to delete the rest of the lyrics and replace it with a video to save bandwidth.

Who are you? Who, who, who, who?

Anonymous said...

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, the 1980s were charmingly innocent, weren't they? Pedophilia was considered so harmless by itself that they needed to dream up Satanic rituals to make it scary, and child porn wasn't even a concept back then, let alone illegal unless it happened to go under other obscenity laws which mostly didn't exist either. It was just mainstream culture. Yesterday's comedy is today's heinous crime.

It even depicts the 80s version of the now atrocious crime of sexting as just another funny plot element: "At one point, she [17-year-old Jennifer] takes a naked Polaroid of herself and gives it to Matthew in public." How backwards for not portraying Jennifer as a victim of her own sex crime and Matthew as a total monster!

"Blame It on Rio" is grandfathered in at the moment (one can hope), but nothing like this can be legally made today and the police are ready to prosecute anyone who dreams up that kind of storyline in any medium. Certainly in Norway they are.

Anonymous said...

The star of that movie is a piece of pedocrite piece of shit:

"I am so stunned. I’m a patron of the NSPCC and have very strong views about paedophilia."

What "strong" wiews? "Pedophilia is evil, period"?

He starred in a movie about a relationship with a 17-year-old girl, the most abhorrent act that a man can do... according to NSPCC policy he's a dangerous child rapist.... if NSPCC found out...

caamib said...

"For this riffraff, women are just "objects" reduced to sperm canisters."

You have just described modern Western women in a feminist system you support. Brain dead slime that can only understand fucking and likes to be raped by lowlifes.

"But what can be expected of these mentally ill people?"

This is fucking amazing. Idiots like you swear that therapy is the solution to everything but diagnose random people you have never seen over the Internet. You are the epitome of stupidity.

"Take a look around: It is the human garbage so-called "caamib", which says that all women must be raped and killed if they do not consider themselves to be the cattle of men."

As I told you, if that's the case I'd be all for raping and killing of non-feminist women. They are respected and well treated by their fathers and husbands while modern Western women are just that - cattle of slimebags. You can't have relationships with them, they hate all men who'd want anything serious with them.

If you don't understand that a modern Western woman would rather choose a man who would rape her and beat her than a man who would want a serious monogamous relationship you are completely delusional. And this is where the rest of your insanity comes from. You don't understand even basic things.

"Stop spreading your Homo neanderthalensis corrupt DNA. Do the world a favor and jump off a bridge."

Now, if somebody sane is reading this ask yourself another question - would these suggestions make me want to do what the scum of the earth tells me or would they make me want to have more kids and go on living just to spite this scum?

"Child sexual slavers advocates like Tom Grauer.. (advocate rape 8 years old little girls... sick being.."

An extremely intelligent, brave and noble being fighting for a good cause and understanding human sexuality.

"Wife beaters and rape advocates like caamib."

Hahahaah, so I am a wife beater now despite not having a wife? I don't even have a wife you fucking tool, I have a girlfriend and I don't beat her at all. If she misbehaves I will, have no doubt of it, but so far it is a complete lie.

Also, rape advocates? What does this even mean? You do understand that rape was and is a perfectly ok strategy to inflict fear into women who act in ways that might ruin civilization? The real disaster ensues when not even that is enough and when they start enjoying being raped.

"You are the scum of the earth. You guys are sick."

Why? All of human societies up to around 30-40 years ago functioned approximately the way we think.

caamib said...

"The only way to stop you kind is with a bullet."

Actually the first correct thing you said, probably in a lifetime. No corrective therapy or idiotic insults like yours will change us. The problem is, those who use the sword often die by the sword. If you're mentioning a sword know that the other side might have a sword as well.

"The world will not go back to the past,"

Yes it will, you fucking moron, because the current model is unsustainable, as smart people have been saying for a decade. The issue is whether it will return to 1750 AD values with modern technology (which we are for) or to 10,000 BC in all of its forms - technology and thinking (which you might not be for but will produce).

"no one will ever own anyone,"

Of course not. Tell that to slave owners and slaves in Libya.

"no woman will ever be owned by a man"

Woman being owned by a man is one of the strongest turn ons by them. Be careful what you're opposing.

"no child would suffer being a sexual slave"

Of course not. Million of child sexual slaves right now just don't exist because a nutjob like you said so.

"you pro-slavery and reactionary coward pieces of shit"

What are we cowardly about again?

"Rapists deserves rape."

No. Some rapists deserve to die (those who rape good women in patriarchal societies) and some rapists deserve a medal (those who rape malignant women in feminist societies).

"Go to hell."

You don't believe in one. I know how you think. Don't forget I started out as one of you.

caamib said...

Also, you have to stop with this "condoning rape" nonsense. You condone rape yourself, on a much broader scale and much more brutally. I'd never condone a rape of a newborn Amish or Orthodox Jewish girl for example, because I know they wouldn't be a threat to society but a positive force in society.

You would let them be raped from the time they were born, since you're basically an anti-white Hitler who supports the rape of certain groups of people he finds privileged by groups you don't find privileged.

I understand you hate the idea of me raping somebody. But you also hate the idea of me asking a woman for coffee or talking to a woman but you adore the idea that groups you find underprivileged do whatever they want to whites or any age. And I don't just mean rape but outright genocides of hundreds of millions of people. You are much worse than national socialist Germany ever was, as it never wanted to kill as many people as you do.

Anonymous said...

Enabling pedophiles and incels to be proud isn’t what society seems as a human right. You’re fighting for the most abhorrent of causes. Is there no better use of our energy?!how denegrated can your life actually be? And if so, signs are obvious you should take a different path. Clearly.

John said...

The most abhorrent act a man can do is have sex with a 17 year old"?!
Once again a member of the "peaceful christian" nation speaks drivel.I personally believe it's much more abhorrent to drop napalm ,bomb & kill millions of kids in Iraq Yemen Syria and America supports these zionist pigs shooting live rounds at Palestinian kids, but consensual sex with a 17 year old is just unacceptable?! WHO are these idiots?

John said...

Hey hey asswipe.i happen to be one of those 'incels' and I'm not a terrorist either fool.shouldnt you be in church praying for more Muslims to be wasted by your cowardly war machine? or better yet fight for more radicalized feminists.we need more of those shits.

caamib said...

"Enabling pedophiles and incels to be proud isn’t what society seems as a human right. You’re fighting for the most abhorrent of causes. Is there no better use of our energy?!how denegrated can your life actually be? And if so, signs are obvious you should take a different path. Clearly."

You know, the amount of insanity you morons can pack up in a few short sentences is truly astounding. It amazes me. It's like with those people who can pack up 20 pairs of jeans in a small bag.

I don't want pedophiles and incels to be "proud". I want pedophiles to try and satisfy their urges but in a manner that doesn't hurt anybody. I don't want them to rape babies, as this would hurt their bodies, but also know that child porn wouldn't hurt them.

I want incels to understand how incel comes about and what to do about it. I want them to stay away from insane places like and understand it's not about looks or height but feminism changing female preferences to human scum. I don't want them to be proud of this painful state, I want them to change it. But to do so you need to know what causes this problem. Incels have always existed, the issue is who are incels. In healthy societies like 7-4 century BC Athens and Roman Republic incels were usually actors (who were then seen as scum but aren't today), seducers, lowlifes and similar scum of the earth - and women avoided such men. Men who had something to offer in material terms were seen as good and weren't incel.

Also, I never said it's what society sees as a human right, never though about in those terms as I'm not a fucking lunatic like you, but now that I read it... yeah, enabling somebody to be proud is what society sees as a human right. See what happens when you're too stupid to even understand what you're talking about? You know why they don't let retards play with knives, because they might cut themselves? Well, you should stop playing with words, since you also cut yourself on them all the time. Take your keyboard or smartphone and throw it out the window. It will be better for all of us, believe me.

"You’re fighting for the most abhorrent of causes.#

Hahahah, once again stop saying stupid shit that makes no sense. There are people fighting for incredibly vile causes, like liberals who want all white males dead, and you're saying that I AM FIGHTING FOR SOME ABHORRENT CAUSE?

" Is there no better use of our energy?"

OUR energy? Please don't put yourself in any group with me. We share that we're both biologically human, unfortunately, and that's about all we share. A fact I'd gladly rectify by turning you into manure.

And, yes, deciding what ideas/laws will prevail and what kind of people will produce/what kind of cultures will prevail is the single most important thing on this planet. If you know of a more important one please, write it here. Is it the Kardashians? Marches against Trump? Your stool sample?

"how denegrated can your life actually be?"

My life is pretty fine. I have a girlfriend and a job now. In fact, what bothers me a lot is that I don't have enough time to write online compared to what I had before. Also, the nature of my relationship, since my girlfriend is a modern Western woman I unfortunately have to share with Muslims.

"And if so, signs are obvious you should take a different path. Clearly."

But it isn't so. All you said in your incredibly delusional, albeit thankfully short post, is a staggering bunch of incorrect claims without a single argument. Go fucking hang yourself, you incredibly braindead scum.

caamib said...

"or better yet fight for more radicalized feminists."

It's just what I'm writing about right now on my blog. That Alek guy should have learned from Marc Lepine, who is an actual saint and did everything just right as far back as 1989.

Anonymous said...

We should find a way to reproduce by spores and suppress sexual desire so that we can ignore women completely, until they become extinct by their own uselessness. I refuse to regard such vile and miserable beings as equals.

Anonymous said...

Vet ikke om du har lest denne Eivind. Men det er i hvertfall én annen blogger som har forstått idiotien med § 311.

Eivind Berge said...

Ja, men Tjomlid er en del av problemet siden han i prinsippet støtter kriminalisering av barneporno. Han bare kritiserer noen av de verste absurditetene i dagens lov, men han er ikke noen mannsaktivist. Jeg husker tidligere innlegg der han kommer med en stor og stygg disclaimer i rød skrift om at han vil ha en barnepornolov så lenge begrepet er fornuftig definert -- så feig eller feministisk er den mannen.

Eivind Berge said...

Jeg finner ikke igjen det gamle innlegget, men her er litt om den kontroversen han skapte i 2014:

Og der står det at Tjomlid bare vil ha tegninger unntatt fra barnepornoloven, og nå også sexdukker da, så han er bare marginalt mindre mannevond enn resten av feministene. Kritikken hans er så tam at det er latterlig å kalle det noen debatt engang.

Gally said...

Akkurat naa holder disse tullingene som sitter og hacker for staten uten kontroll, bare paa med aa irritere meg for aa se om de kan fremprovosere en reaksjon fra meg.
Brannmuren min satte de paa for full blokkering av all utgaaende trafikk, de har laget egne regler i sikkerhetspolicy'ene, de har nedgradert trafikk fra HTTPS til HTTP, blokkert spesifikke nettsteder, forstyrret VPN-forbindelsene, de har blokkert lydkortet mitt og naa sist har de blokkert tastaturet saa jeg maa benytte eksternt - mulig noen glemte aa fortelle dem at jeg har circa 8 forskjellige tastaturer.

Jeg tror en gjeng med innavla idioter hos PST benytter anledningen til aa kjoere paa med leketoeyene sine og bare sitter og kuker rundt.

Tjomlid begynte bra en gang i tiden med fornuftig (dog ikke helt 100%) samfunnskritikk, og personlig likte jeg spesielt at han satte fokuset paa at med lovene slik de er, saa beskytter de mindreaarige mot utnyttelse av voksne, men ikke mot andre mindreaarige.

Som jo er et problem i Oslo naa, hvor jenter faar hasj mot at de maa suge kuken til hvem det skulle vaere som har gitt dem hasjen.

Men det snakker vi ikke hoeyt om, for det er ikke-etniske gjenger med tilknytninger til mafia som ogsaa politiet er en del av, og man vil ikke begynne aa noeste seg frem til for klare koblinger med politiet sine "bi-inntekter" der.

Som ogsaa er grunnen til at man tar en avdanket politimann (Jensen) og slaar paa stortromma med, saann for aa sende et signal om hvordan politiet skal klare aa unngaa aa bli tatt for aa sammarbeide med narko-mafiaen.

Og, selvsagt, bakgrunnen for hele Dark Room-saken som er ulovlig varetektsfengsling og brudd paa mennneskerettighetene som hele helvetet, Bergens-politiet er saapass alkoholskada spontant-aborter-fremkalling av at morra drakk for aa bli kvitt fosteret, at de tok ikke beskjeden om aa slutte aa drive business med narkomafiaen, at man maatte sette inn utenbys ressurser for aa sparkle over hele greia og kjoere moralsk panikk paa barneporno istedenfor aa risikere at pressens avdekket hvor korrupte og kriminelle de er og hvor mye som har forsvunnet av narkotika fra beslag.

Gally said...

...aaand turning off my wifi-cards at random.

What next, will these infantile manchildren throw up GNAA's "Final Solution" for every page I visit? Turn every image upside down, "Upsidedownternet"-style? Jebuss wept.

Anonymous said...

Why dont you post the verdict, Gally? You know its not illegal, right?

Gally said...

I am not posting the verdict because upon reflection:
If it isn't posted officially, there are reasons for that
I have running cases about identification
I do not find it in my interest and IM AM NOT YOUR ENTERTAINMENT*

* Don't take internet, or people on it, too serious business.

Anonymous said...

That aside, to add to the topic at hand, being a "voluntary incelabatory" isn't all that bad.
You avoid all the bitching, you can focus on your interests, and Mrs. Right will always be there ready at your service with no "head-aches".

Also do you know how many people were voluntary incelebates?

Nikolai Tesla
Isaac Newton

I am sure you can come up with more.

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, to each his own. If voluntary celibacy works for you, I have no issues with that.

Immanuel Kant, maybe? At least he never married and seemed to think philosophy was more important than sex. Alexander the Great almost counts too, as he had a harem but scarcely bothered to use it and only had one or two children, probably just one. My goal in life is to do better than Alexander the Great, which should be doable. That means I need to father at least two or three children.

Anonymous said...

Well the concept of "success", or "life fullfillment" can be argued - from different sides.

From the purely genetical, Ghjenisk Khan of the Monguls killed all the males and raped all the females, so today there are 17.5 million direct descentants of him (and his secondary sons).

Was he "Successfull"?

...I'm just going to leave this here.

John said...

And Schopenhauer.he had no children,lol. he may be the very first "mra".in other "breaking news" I have officially joined I am now officially a misogynist terrorist! Congrats to me.

John said...

It appears Schopenhauer was a volcel, while Nietzsche was an incel perhaps.anyway,he was clearly too intense for women,probably died a virgin after he went(officially) insane.

John said...

So,Bolton and pompeo cone in to this foul administration and boom the Iran deal is out even though Iran did not violate any piece of it.and the American sheeple? They still support this feminist 'non intervention'.what a sad joke.its so obvious he's eliminating anything that has Obamas name on it.very fucking irritating to me.

Dikkeworst said...

I'm confused. So now you're saying, any man can be a pussy-slaying alpha male if he just refuses to masturbate? I guess your views changed a lot since your "rape is equality" days.

Eivind Berge said...

I don't see a contradiction between those views. I just didn't know how empowering it is to not masturbate. Whether rape is right or wrong, nofap enables you to rise above such tactics because so many opportunities open up. It gives clarity of mind to do what you should to be as alpha as you can get. You realize the insane opportunity cost of wasting your efforts on anything other than real pussy, and from there everything tends to fall into place.

Eivind Berge said...

Nature has equipped men with a fantastic sex drive, which if you let it work its magic will lead you to sex or make you die trying due to constructive risk taking. Unfortunately, evolution didn't inoculate men against today's porn because there was nothing like it in our ancestral environment. Any visual of a woman was safe to pursue because she would be real, so men naturally evolved to need sight alone to get aroused. Masturbation on its own is no big deal because it's not very compelling, but combined with modern technology it can seriously disrupt your sex drive. This is the equivalent to obesity when your relationship with the food supply goes wrong. Both are monstrously maladaptive and prevent you from being healthy, and in both cases it often takes some conscious effort to avoid falling into the trap. And trust me, you want to avoid those traps.

Anonymous said...

I may have been in the wrong world for a long time, but I’ve never seen any person support people who have sex with children, nor I understand why we should do it.

I doubt that being a man means being a pedophile and prey 14-years-old kids, they are still in their childhood, as a man I find it horrifying to even think about it. I’m not even attracted to women under 23 or 24, I like a mature woman who knows how to talk about something smart and have a stable relationship, not that she spend the day playing the xbox and talk about kid’s things.

Which I think would be quite sensible a age of consent of 21, I do not think that a child under 21 is able to have a relationship, even with a peer, much less with a grown man, is demonstrated by psychology that brains do not develop until 23 or even 25, so they are unable to understand their long-term actions. There you see girls of only 18/19 in magazines like Playboy or Penthouse and then regretting to have done it, the worst are the men who are not even horrified by it. I personally denounce it.

I’m not a pedophile and IMHO sex with a child of 16 is abuse and all civilized society thinks same and I’m glad that this is being taken seriously, I dislike that some old relatives tell me that before there were men who dating girls as young as 13 and nobody do anything to avoid it. Only muslim do that.

I repeat, I am a grown man and I like grown women that is normal and natural, not underage children, if there are laws against sex with minors it’s just because it is understood that before 18 kids are vulnerable to perverts, nothing more.

Dikkeworst said...

"Nature has equipped men with a fantastic sex drive, which if you let it work its magic will lead you to sex or make you die trying due to constructive risk taking"

I'm very skeptical Eivind. Perhaps blue balls will force a man to hit on women more aggressively but this won't neccesarily enhance his level of attractiveness. If you're a beta or omega male, women may even get more repulsed because now they feel you're behaving like a "creep" or "desperate".

In the end, the guy may feel more beta rage than ever before because he feels "he gave it all" and still failed.

Eivind Berge said...

Wrong, it it is masturbation that will make a man come across as a creep because then his desire will be fake and backed by dysfunction. Not masturbating gives you the right kind of aggression backed by actual virility, which is equal to confidence, which is attractive. Of course, you may still be turned down, but you won't be a creep and you will keep pursuing more and more women and soon get it right.

John said...

Right assuming as you said there are no comorbidities and theres a ton of those in beta/incel men.#nofap is great if you're normal/socialized. If youre not? Keep on fapping away.also of course there's height/looks/status and some luck involved.low status man? Yea, might as well keep watching the porn.

Eivind Berge said...

You should give yourself a chance to see if those other problems were so big after all. Remove the obstacles that you definitely can do something about, and this is a huge one which may well be all that is stopping you anyway. Porn is so toxic that it can make even teenage boys impotent sometimes. And at best it removes some reserve capacity, giving you problems earlier than you should have. Kind of like donating a kidney cuts down your renal capacity that you will need when you get older, masturbation cuts your sexual reserve capacity short, sometimes spectacularly short to the point where you can't have sex before you have begun.

John said...

Yep,one can become habituated to porn.even if a really good looking woman(SLIM odds of that) were to throw herself at me I don't I could get it on! Anyway,everybody's on their damn cell phones now,damn near impossible to form friendships.I go to coffee shops
And it's a tad difficult to conversate as everyones face is buried in a device.i don't even Know any women.ive had a couple opportunities in the past but after going out on a really short date,she had to be at work in the morning,when I drove her home, before I could even come to a complete stop,she had RAN to her door so fast she didn't close my car door!so,I wasn't angry and I called her the next day and asked why and she said "you freaked me out".haha,well if you're not properly socialized at an early age.. oh well,dying and living alone isn't so bad.

John said...

And yes,as Mr caamib pointed out, these incel forums are,to be generous, not very intellectually stimulating, packed full of youngsters. i'm already bored and pretty much done posting on so,I've never done Facebook and never want to, I plan on coming back, yes to Twitter, once again! back to watching everything I say,making sure to immediately block the insane female who claims I'M stalking her and somehow stay off her big old radar.

jack said...

Quote: "I am convinced I would have slept with a hundred additional women and had lots of descendants now if I had read this post at age 12 ...". Strange statement coming from you Eivind. I would have placed you as some sort of antinatalist. What do you make of Benatar's principle that "coming into existence is always a harm"? Let alone creating new life! I really think MRAs, MGTOWs and sundry male activists should take a serious look at antinatalism as a personal philosophy (on top of their activism to improve the plight of men). Antinatalism is consistent with depriving women of their grip on Society.

Eivind Berge said...

No, I don't like antinatalism. You can argue that having children is mostly a selfish decision, but I still think it is the right decision because it leaves you so unfulfilled if you don't have them. If you are like most people.

Eivind Berge said...

John, why not pay women for sex as a start if you can't get it for free? After practicing nofap for at least three months, of course.

I was just watching a video by Jordan Peterson where he makes a number of good points, one of them about free will.

Free will is something we have very little of in the moment, but you can set long-term goals that will change you and turn you into the kind of chooser you want to be. You literally don't have the free will to have sex right now because you've made so many bad choices beforehand that determine your present behavior, but if you reprogram yourself over enough time to repair some of the damage, it becomes realistic. After three months, you can have transformed yourself into the kind of man who will choose to pursue women instead of watching porn. Free will exists, and this is where is located, in the distance where our present consciousness can actually change the kind of chooser we are.

For example, I turned myself into a men's rights activist, and later a nofapper, by free will. It didn't happen overnight, but it was a conscious choice which now greatly influences the kind of decisions that I make every day.

I am now the kind of person who reacts in horror to feminist sex laws and hates their enforcers. Asking other people to feel similarly by some kind of impulsive decision is unrealistic, because that is not how free will works and they don't have that choice. We need to focus on long-term ideological conversions.

John said...

Well,I turned into an anti imperialist first because it's obvious (to me anyway) that America is hell bent on global hegemony using military force whenever on whoever doesn't obey the u.s.where it's not applicable to use force,America is happy to use economic sanctions to starve a country into submission.america="christian" country.i was actually something of a feminist wayyyyy back in the day,when it wasn't so overtly misandric/radical.that didn't happen overnight for paying for it, I feel I'm lowering myself and if I did do it I'd tell her no fake moaning please,I turn the sound off on porno for just that reason. Nofap? I've done that for much longer periods than 3 months.but I'm not going to go into some bar and leave with some hottie.thats just not going to happen.and I work for myself,30 years of that next year, so I don't meet women at work,which is good right now anyway.on the free will,I believe we have free will over the smallest of things like how much salt we sprinkle on fries and such.the larger issues are cause and effect,with genetics playing a huge Peterson has pointed out, and many others,if you're not well socialized by age 4,5,you never WILL be. i was "raised" by a mother that never shouldve been allowed to have children.she dumped her first 2 kids at an orphanage before going on to have me and my brother!And she never bothered informing me I had a half brother.i only found out after he killed himself.then, before the divorce with my dad was finalized,she kidnapped me and my brother and drove to florida.i haven't seen my dad since and as many times as I told her I hated her guts, I'm quite sure she died thinking she was an "awesome" complete
denial,And fuckin nuts.

John said...

Ok,my last post wasn't 'timed out'good!
Because it often is and that's irritating.on the antinatilism,I just watched an interview with Sam Harris and an antinatilist(I forgot his name)
Well,I wouldn't want to bring any kids into this shit but especially not boys!
Can you imagine, asking your kid, what did you learn at school today? And he says: "I learned about women's studies, and the evil white male privilege".uh.. no ten years America,as well as being a full fledged police state, will also be a lousy matriarchy.

John said...

Of course,one could argue it already IS a police state and matriarchy,and I wouldn't disagree! So,Mr Hanson, just for having the THOUGHT EXPERIMENT of "sex redistribution" has been viciously attacked,no surprise there,these sjw/females/liberal twits can't think, just overreact and quick to condemn.they also hate/fear Peterson and he's not "alt right" nor a "nazi"!
These people aren't true liberals of course, they are fanatics,and why are 'women studies' even being financed at these universities? That's outrageous and is going to produce a generation of manginas.not good.

John said...

And....speaking of this police state, the YMCA is going to start screening all guests and members for being on the sex offender list! well,America has pretty much EVERYTHING covered in their war on ALL men.although i've never been accused of a sex crime,I most certainly CANNOT "trespass" on any schools grounds,and I would never work at any school,and am very wary of public
parks. And Disney world? Haha that's for go there alone,it would be very uncomfortable knowing they're watching you every minute you're not in your room.anyway,that's my rants,happy mothers day! Haha

Jack said...

The real fight is that in favour of legal and affordable prostitution. Joining the fight against porn addiction (or against drug use) should be a nth priority. Our motto should be "give us access to women, we'll know what to do with them". Prostitution is necessary because there are not enough young desirable females to go round. Telling men not to fap is a bit like telling men to "man up" (a common feminist theme). Also, the more men give up fapping, the more rabbit the competition between men for a dwindling pool of accessible females. More male-male infighting. Not good.

Eivind Berge said...

I totally agree with legalized prostitution. Nofap is just advice for those who want it, not a fight to change any laws in that direction. The fact is that many men *don't* know what to do with women (or are physically unable) because of too much porn and masturbation.

John said...

That is true.they wind up getting hand jobs from the prostitutes they visit because it's what they know.

John said...

So,to sum up, IMO."how not to be an incel" = a combination of genetics,looks height)and/Or at least having 2 SANE parents that actually stay together, and also I've noticed this personally, and this has been backed up by research, getting along with your mother is very important.and of course socialization with your peers at a young a bonus,the lucky rare guys that have sex with their teachers--VERY helpful in future sex endeavours I'm lieu of any of this, being born into wealth virtually guarantees you won't wind up an 'incel'.

John said...

Oh I almost forgot! NOT being fucking circumcised is have to be cut to understand.extreme lack of sensitivity from years of interacting with underwear.

Eivind Berge said...

I think you are confounding circumcision with masturbation damage, John. While I am against circumcision, it shouldn't degrade your sex life so significantly if you do everything else right (and no, you don't need to be rich, tall or particularly good-looking). What it does do is summarized here:

In flowery language worth quoting:

"These results show clearly that women preferred vaginal intercourse with an anatomically complete penis over that with a circumcised penis; there may be many reasons for this. When the anatomically complete penis thrusts in the vagina, it does not slide, but rather glides on its own ‘bedding’ of movable skin, in much the same way that a turtle’s neck glides in and out of the folder layers of skin surrounding it. The underlying corpus cavernosa and corpus spongiosum slide within the penile skin, while the skin juxtaposed against the vaginal wall moves very little. This sheath-within-a-sheath alignment allows penile movement, and vaginal and penile stimulation, with minimal friction or loss of secretions. When the penile shaft is withdrawn slightly from the vagina, the foreskin bunches up behind the corona in a manner that allows the tip of the foreskin which contains the highest density of fine-touch neuroreceptors in the penis to contact the corona of the glans which has the highest concentration of fine-touch receptors on the glans. This intense stimulation discourages the penile shaft from further withdrawal, explaining the short thrusting style that women noted in their unaltered partners. This juxtapostion of sensitive neuroreceptors is also seen in the clitoris and clitoral hood of the Rhesus monkey and in the human clitoris."

John said...

Yes I agree much damage can and is done by masturbation(too much,wrong lubricant) It's also a confidence issue also I believe having an intact member. and I agree that no you don't have to necessarily be tall,handsome, rich.however women do list height as their #1 ''turn on'.

Anonymous said...

Gally said...

No doubt rapists are going to refrain from killing their victim as an attempt to cover up their crimes, when the penalty for murder is the same as statutory rape.

Oh wait, my bad, they are being forcefully motivated to kill and the politicians creating such laws instead of offering help, are the real evil ones - calling somebody mentally ill and making them kill children when they become convinced that they are bound to abuse.

In other words, "Kratocracy": 'Rule by the most inept and incompetent, whose incompetence is so insane that it is indistinguishable from malice' .

John said...

Well,since I can't get anyone to talk to me in real life(all their goddamn faces STILL buried in devices) I'm back on Twitter until I get banned again.fuckin *sigh*

Anonymous said...

Hi Eivind, I'm bringing you this "Answer to Amos Yee" to see what you think about:

John said...

Perhaps women are different in Norway I don't know.but here in imperial America, looks height and status mean everything.i could have NEVER masturbated and I'd still be an incel.

Gally said...

'looks, height and status mean everything'

Yeah, and funnily enough when you look at the genetic variation between the to sex-chromosomes and compares with known rate of mutation, you cannot conclude with anything other than that only 50% of men have succeeded in procreating, compared with 80% of women.

Doesn't matter what you do if you are outside of the spectrum of what the female breeding machines are programmed to accept of input.
You can be a genious and socially charming as hell and women don't want anything to do with you because you are not psychopathic enough to come out on top in negotiations with other men for the distribution of scarce resources, which is... *drumroll* exactly what women are programmed to do: Exploit men in every which way so that they can live in comfort and security and support THEIR offspring.

The human penis is shaped the way it is in order to pump out OTHER mens' semen from the vagina, and a man never knows if a child is really his, but a woman always knows that the child is HERS.

And just like the penis, the laws are also shaped around dealing with that exploitation - here in the west, in the womens' distinct and undeniable favour, in the east somewhat more debatably in their favour because when it comes to the end of the day, a man is like a sperm: Disposable because there are so many shooting blanks whilst so few women not becoming mothers.

John said...

Yep that's how it is.
i like this:
"men test ideas,women test men"
And "men are disposable,women are recyclable"
Of course it wasn't always like this,but I highly doubt were returning to the 50s.
I'll have then engrave "he was a good guy, beta incel" on my headstone,lol!

John said...

As I mentioned earlier, I'm back on Twitter, home of the scumbag feminists, cop lovers, manginas,Trump lovers etc.. yuch.for now I'm
@Mgtow_Time until I'm ran off again.since I'm not *allowed* to have friends or go anywhere near these females I'm back on a platform that I am most definitely NOT safe on but that's how it is for myself and
millions like me in the same sinking boat.could be worse! I could be in Gaza catching zionist bullets in my ass and inhaling tear gas.but I'm not "free" how can I be in a shitass police state under constant surveillance? The only question left is WHY do i go on? It has to be purely primitive survival instinct, because logically I should be dead.

Eivind Berge said...

About that "Answer to Amos Yee" video, I didn't watch it all yet but it's hard to take her seriously when she thinks a ridiculous concept of "informed consent" is necessary which means you have to wait until four years after puberty.

Anonymous said...

Four years since puberty refers to 16 or 18 or where exactly?

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, so basically just advocacy of the worst current sex laws. She also says "society is not in the business of letting exceptions dictate the rules they live by" -- which I agree with -- but then she is hypocritical when she wants to force everyone to live by the rare exception who can't handle sexual decision-making before age 16-18. And of course, the gender equivalence gives the pseudoscience away. If these agecucks wanted to be taken seriously at all, they would at least distinguish between males and females and concede that age of consent should not apply to female offenders.

Anonymous said...

French menopause cunts are moaning:

Eivind Berge said...

So it's less bad than we feared. No pretense that children can't consent. But still, this escalation is very bad, with an expanded definition of "rape" and a doubling of the maximum punishment for non-rape:

Under the proposed law, judges could rule that rape results from an "abuse of vulnerability" of the victim. The bill bans sex between an adult and a minor under 15 but accepts the possibility that a minor under 15 is capable of consenting to sex. In such cases, it would be classified a "sexual assault" and the maximum prison sentence for that is doubled to 10 years.

And what does "abuse of vulnerability" mean? Sounds so vague it could be applied to anything, except age itself. All they need is one additional excuse and it would be "rape."

So the feminists only partially won this battle, but they are winning the war and will no doubt try again soon.

Anonymous said...

New regulations in Europe come up in 25 may, one is that people under 16 years of age cannot consent to giving their data on the Internet:

"one of the ways in which the RGPD seeks to better protect personal data is to raise the minimum age of consent for processing personal data to 16 years in many EU member states".

Raise the minimum age of consent for [insert X here].

Protect. Protect. Protect.

Repeat these words until the end of times.

We're talking about convincing people that minors can consent to a simple sexual caress if they don't even consider them capable of making an account in an internet game?

holocaust21 said...

By RGPD I assume you mean the GDPR?

Fuck, I didn't know that they secretly rose the age of consent for data to 16. Seriously what is this shit?

I actually really hate the GDPR in its entirety. It's costing the economy an arm and a leg too. You know every single fucking business in Europe is now obsessed with GDPR? I think that's all they are spending their time doing, they jusy go "must comply with GDPR, must not get fined £20 million or 4% of revenue whichever is higher". Not one of these fucking retards has thought "oh, the GDPR is evil and is destroying both the economy and our freedoms, maybe we should protest?".

The GDPR pretends to not apply to small businesses, but in reality it applies to small businesses, as any business that process personal data must still comply with the GDPR, which is most businesses!!! Every business needs a designated "data protection officer" something only huge corporations can afford. The EU's real goal with the GDPR is control.

It's so depressing. We have lost our freedom in every area and either no one cares or people are powerless to stop it or, most likely, both.

John said...

I've changed my Twitter handle and bio.i really don't want to go with 'mgtow'. most of those guys are alt right morons and I'm more an incel. however I don't want to self identify as THAT either. and 'mra? Nope that's simply I went with just
Anti_feminist.also, mgtow are single minded, repeating the same old shit over and over, while I have many other concerns namely American imperialism/military industrial complex and prison complex especially under this asshole trump administration.

John said...

Ah ok.i see NOW why Paul Elam was suspended FOREVER now. no big loss of course.i was just curious as to happened when I wasn't on Twitter.he was obviously no "leader" of the "mras" anyway. i'd prefer to see a certain feminist bitch banned but she never will,if they would just get rid of Hannah w allen! I'm avoiding her,and many many more since returning as I would just get the ax again if I unleashed.

Anonymous said...

Get off of Twitter and get a real life a job etc. No offence just an advice.

John said...

I've got a job.i run my very own business in fact.30 years offence, but get off the internet,get a job, and life too.

Anonymous said...

200 years. Even more than a child murderer. Lunatics. Nazism was never defeated with words, it was defeated by sending millions of men to die killing as many Nazi bastards as possible.

John said...

Frickin insanity.did you see that Nassers 'victims' all 360 of them or was 3600? Lol whatever.they are receiving a record $500 million dollar settlement to be split amongst however many there were.uh maybe that will help with their 'treatment' expenses, WITH enough left over to buy a new house,new car(s) a trip around the world or two.nassser was sentenced pretty much daily during his 3 weeks of humiliation, and it brings to my mind the images of the Nazis who were made to wear oversized pants for even more humiliation when they were in court for the attempted assassination of hitler.they mostly wound up hanged on meat hooks.i guess Nasser is in a single cell for his protection.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Hey eivind.well, somefuckinhow my feminist stalker found me on Twitter yet again and threatened to doxx me again and call the police on me.i blocked her and this time I called the San Francisco police dept and you know what they told me? Deactivate your I had to.also I'm going to just go ahead and quit social media for at least the next ten years.i MIGHT continue to post on here but I doubt can't fight women they ALWAYS ALWAYS win.

Anonymous said...

The very high age of consent comes with a series of social benefits that we already understand as rights acquired in recent centuries.

For example, the abolition of child labour and the very high age of entry into employment. Or even the very long period of compulsory education.

You can't understand one thing without the other.

As here (for better or worse) we have all had the right to be children, we live in society and we don't live in the caves, because if a 15 years-old girl get us a boner on us we get a handjob when we get home and do something else. Just in case.

Gally said...

"The very high age of consent comes with a series of social benefits..."

Yes, it's called "learned infantilism" (similar to "learned helplessness"), where you spend your mentally developing years learning to absorb falsehoods and carry out meaninless tasks in order for you to be used to unpaid overtime and blind obedience to incompetent authority figures.

And protesting does nothing good for you but make you a target for retaliation and to be made an example out of.

It's called "education", which is a euphemism for "indoctrination".

And it's getting worse, with it becoming almost impossible to get a job without a master's degree, and rising costs of college means students in the US are now targeted with ads for giving blood to pay for tutorial material.

And in the future?
All of those "social benefits" will be taken away, because the economic growth will go back to below 1% per year just as it was before the industrial revolution, because cognitive computers take over the jobs and innovation is stagnating.

You might want to learn to grow your own vegetables if you wish to avoid having no spare money at all.

Gally said...

Let me just list a few reasons why Norway is going to hell in a handbasket:

1) Demographics
a) The number of elderly needing care will double within 10-15 years
b) We have imported a number of people coming from cultures where women don't work, but make children - and in any event, an average woman actually costs the state some 20-30k per year, whilst a man produces values of around 120-130k

2) Education & Employment
a) Education keeps becoming more costly because it is lengthier - as society is making unskilled labour almost non-existent, unemployment increases, in effect creating a self-enforcing death spiral for the middle-class
b) We are making things more efficient and public servants are going the way of the dodo as you can do so many things online yourself today

3) Prison capacity, increases in length of sentences and adding more moralistic-based crimes to the list
a) The queue for serving has gone from 5000 waiting to serve for 4000 prison cells, to 300 available cells and 6000 cells from renting a prison in the Netherland to building three-four new ones
b) Moralism - when a society starts to punish being different, the political system is attempting to legitimize its existence by pretending to be the guardians of Right & Wrong, and that's because people read what they are doing - which includes a hell of a lot of wrong things

4) The Skyscraper index
a) When ever an economic crack is coming, the states starts taxing property and starts building projects like crazy - right now twice as many houses are being built as will be needed, and the private property market is where most Norwegians invest their money. It's going to tank so bad only rich people will be able to own their own houses without having to worry about never being able to pay back the debt to the bank.
b) Much of the same, but with the government investing in oilfields that have uncertain profitability, and: Not wanting to present a proper calculation for the estimated costs and benefits

In twenty years Norway will have spent all of its famous oil fund on trying to maintain the wellfare state, all the really rich people will have moved their money out of the country, and we will be well on our way to going down the exact same route as Venezuela.

And in the meantime they are desperately trying to cover up these things by talking about meaningless scandals such as how two years ago somebody partying it up in a cabin sent a drunk SMS to a politician.

Not only do the emperor have no clothes, all those sheeple trying to pretend to be smart (such as Gunnnar Roland Tjomlid) don't want to admit to it when it is explained and presented to them backed by real, professional statistical analysis.

They just fire the statistician having provided the facts. True story.

Anonymous said...

Yes, they have effectively silenced me right off Twitter again at the demand of ONE feminist cunt bitch.i was only back on for 5 ten days! And she threatened to call the police on me again, so that's my 3rd account I've voluntarily deactivated(under pressure from her and these pig cops of course) I didn't contact her in any way, shape or form,yet she literally RUNS Twitter. I hope someone kills her or she has stage 4 pancreatic cancer.either one or both would thrill me!imagine a bitch stalking you claiming falsely that you're stalking her.its fucking infuriating and the cops ADORE this fuck.

Anonymous said...

If Norway is fucked, America is doomed.the plan is to gut Medicare to pay for walls(of all the stupid goddamn things) more bombs to drop on the global community and of course support these scumsucking killer jews) no jobs here unless you're a goid billionaire who hides the money offshore and pays zero taxes,yet beloved by the vast majority of americans-- truly inexplicable when one understands they are shit fuck oligarchs NOT "heroes" to look up to and admire/worship.stupid stupid americans WANT ALL the money in a few hands.well very soon they will get their fondest desire.

Anonymous said...

Anyway,to get this back on track.
'Inceldom' is a social phenomenon, NOT a "bunch of "radicalized psychopathic misogynists" as this feminist media is busy instructing the sheeple you risk your ass and any account you make online be it mra, incel and of course 'anti feminist'.probably by next year EVERYONE with anti feminist views will be banned from twitter,GOOD.i hate being banned alone.thing is I can't even go on there and chat about fucking movies.but there's nothing I can do about it.and if join Facebook? Well I've never been on it but I'd say if be banned within a week.i support Jordan Peterson and that alone would do it.

Anonymous said...

An old story, but an example of pedohysteria in action:

"Child sex trafficking" means consensual sex with 17-year-olds.

Anonymous said...

Jordan Peterson has SUGGESTED enforced monogamy.well, I'm all for that.AND wealth redistribution AND sex redistribution. Of course none of this has any chance in hell of actually happening.the LAST of these possibilities,believe it or not, of ever occurring would be the wealth redistribution. THAT makes americans blood boil.'let them eat cake and they will happily do so.can you imagine americans storming Versaille? No fucking way...